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Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

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Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

#21

The moral argument in favor of rejecting this app pivots around whether it does in fact enable more drunk driving. If it does, there doesn't seem to be good justification for allowing the app to exist. I don't think the calculus should be any more complicated than this. Edit: I'll disclaim that I have a bias, having had a friend die drinking and driving.

Should the calculus for banning vehicles or alcohol be any more complicated than whether they enable more drunk driving?

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

#22
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While I don't condone drunk driving at all and personally don't have a use for this app as I don't drink and drive this is just one more example of why I'm an android user. I don't need papa jobs looking out for me.

It would be socially responsible for Android/Google to do the same.

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

#23

The moral argument in favor of rejecting this app pivots around whether it does in fact enable more drunk driving. If it does, there doesn't seem to be good justification for allowing the app to exist. I don't think the calculus should be any more complicated than this. Edit: I'll disclaim that I have a bias, having had a friend die drinking and driving.

I disagree. I think the argument is more about who gets to decide what is "moral" and who gets to promote/enforce that morality.

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

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post #23

The moral argument in favor of rejecting this app pivots around whether it does in fact enable more drunk driving. If it does, there doesn't seem to be good justification for allowing the app to exist. I don't think the calculus should be any more complicated than this. Edit: I'll disclaim that I have a bias, having had a friend die drinking and driving.

I disagree. I think the argument is more about who gets to decide what is "moral" and who gets to promote/enforce that morality.

OK, may I ask who that is that should make this call?

If I have a kill switch on my platform for apps that endanger people and I see that the app is endangering people, I'll feel a moral obligation to toggle that kill switch. Again, this is a rather straightforward call.

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

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post #21

The moral argument in favor of rejecting this app pivots around whether it does in fact enable more drunk driving. If it does, there doesn't seem to be good justification for allowing the app to exist. I don't think the calculus should be any more complicated than this. Edit: I'll disclaim that I have a bias, having had a friend die drinking and driving.

Should the calculus for banning vehicles or alcohol be any more complicated than whether they enable more drunk driving?

When I say "enable," I mean "encourage more of," which implies preexistence of a problem that is being exacerbated.

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

#27
This is not the first police checkpoint app rejection, as I recall.

I think this is a fairly grey area, and I assume people are aware of the same thing. Instead of taking the gamble, I would looking into contacting someone related to the app review process and check if it would be acceptable.

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

#28

To be fair, there are plenty of reasons to avoid DUI checkpoints even if you're not driving impaired. They tend to substantially slow down traffic, for one.

Not to mention the fact that they violate the 4th amendment and even the founder of MADD is against them.

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

#29

To be fair, there are plenty of reasons to avoid DUI checkpoints even if you're not driving impaired. They tend to substantially slow down traffic, for one.

Don't you guys have friends who died DUI? Here in southern europe it's a big probelm. I hate it that when i learn somebody i knew died or killed this way, i can't help thinking 'he brought it to himself'.

Re: Apple will reject DUI checkpoints app

#30

To be fair, there are plenty of reasons to avoid DUI checkpoints even if you're not driving impaired. They tend to substantially slow down traffic, for one.

Not to mention the fact that they violate the 4th amendment and even the founder of MADD is against them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_...

Where society's need is great and no other effective means of meeting the need is available, and intrusion on people's privacy is minimal, checkpoints toward that end may briefly detain motorists. In Michigan v. Sitz 496 U.S. 444 (1990), the Supreme Court allowed discretionless sobriety checkpoints.

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