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Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Tangental point here, but I find Medical student's relationship to Science quite fascinating.

For instance there's a trend for medical students to believe less in evolution than other biology students

EDIT: reference to it in this story: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/21/religion.highe...

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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> Further and more seriously, this paper is perhaps an important example of the importance of interdisciplinary communication. I wouldn’t go that far- medical researchers all did high school math. If they didn’t understand it, that’s not an interdisciplinary communication problem.

Although it’s true that if Dr. Tai had shown his paper to any physicist (or high school calculus student), with “Tai’s Model” as a label for integration, they would laugh and point out the issue.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Google Scholar currently gives many more citations than 75 (424) source: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=it&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=A+Ma...

I wonder how many of those are from papers discussing failure of peer review or interdisciplinary communication rather than the value of the formula itself.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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The author of this blog post is wrong to say this is 'integration'[0], and is also later wrong to say it's the 'trapezoidal rule'[1].

It seems to me that it's diagnostically useful to have a standardised method for estimating the area under the curve, rather than everyone inventing their own method.

[0](since you don't know the whole function, you only know point estimates at particular moments in time)

[1] (trapezoidal rule is normally defined by having equal intervals - here, measurements are often taken at irregular intervals)

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Link to the paper in question: https://doi.org/10.2337/diacare.17.2.152

The full paper on available on sci-hub for those who can use it. Am wondering if it's legal to post sci-hub links on HN?

I don't think there's any need to. People who want to use SciHub can simply copy the DOI link into it.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Google Scholar currently gives many more citations than 75 (424) source: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=it&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=A+Ma...

I wonder how many of those are from papers discussing failure of peer review or interdisciplinary communication rather than the value of the formula itself.

Funnily enough it doesn't matter for your career. Bureaucracies stop at counting citations, sometimes weighted by impact factor.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Google Scholar currently gives many more citations than 75 (424) source: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=it&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=A+Ma...

I wonder how many of those are from papers discussing failure of peer review or interdisciplinary communication rather than the value of the formula itself.

I looked at the most cited paper between those who cite the paper in object: https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/2/275.short

It states: "Mean BGwas determined using area-under-the curve analysis (10)." where (10) is the paper we are discussing about.

Hence in this paper they acknowledge the result...

Don't know about the other citers. Also It would be nice to know that, but I cannot immagine how to do it automatically

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how many of those are from papers discussing failure of peer review or interdisciplinary communication rather than the value of the formula itself.

Funnily enough it doesn't matter for your career. Bureaucracies stop at counting citations, sometimes weighted by impact factor.

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Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations (2007)

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Google Scholar currently gives many more citations than 75 (424) source: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=it&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=A+Ma...

I wonder how many of those are from papers discussing failure of peer review or interdisciplinary communication rather than the value of the formula itself.

There are a lot of them that say “using the trapezoidal rule” or something and cite the paper. I think that’s a silly case of unnecessary citations (having been a coauthor on a medical paper there’s a lot of pressure to ‘grab a citation that sort of works’).

But they almost always call it “the trapezoidal rule” - the original paper is quite famous specifically because of the embarrassment it brought to medical researchers, and implication that medicine is full of doofuses who don’t know calculus is pure clickbait.

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