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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by jcrites »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #140
jcrites wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. There was an example on Hacker News of someone whose blog hosted by .in was shut down/seized because some freelance-style security project that detects malicious sites or botnets or something claimed it was evil. No notification or due process. I can't recall enough of the details to provide a link, but the individual posted on HN asking for help getting his site back, and eventually did. But what stuck out at m…

That's really screwed up. Do you have more details? More examples?

With the help of Algolia's HN search, I was able to find the story:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21671579

Apparently an organization called Shadowserver (a nonprofit security organization) claimed that the blog was part of the control system for a botnet, and the domain was transferred out of the registrant's control with no due process. They got it back, but the fact that such a thing is even possible in the first place was infuriating to me. I don't know if this is a decision that the .in TLD makes, to place trust in groups like Shadowserver (one could argue it's India's TLD and their country gets to run it how they want) but I hope to god that these kinds of "no due process" seizures are not possible with other TLDs like .com. and .dev.

Domain names ought to be property, and like any other property should be protected against arbitrary seizure by courts of law. I understand it's important to fight cybercrime and botnets and the like but there's got to be a solution that involves due process.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF »

mdavidn wrote: post #79
xienze wrote: post #66

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> When you use someone else's platform you are completely dependent on the owner of the platform, and being dependent on something you don't control is a huge business risk. Being off of YouTube doesn’t make you immune to this. You can still be deplatformed by your host, domain registrar, payment processor, etc.

Unlike YouTube, a business can replace many of these services transparently from the perspective of their customers.

I agree, it is easier to replace a single part if you don't put your whole presence into one single monolith.

It also helps that many other companies offer the benefit of being able to reach an actual human in case something goes wrong, which is something that is basically impossible with anything Google.

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Post by TulliusCicero »

regnerba wrote: post #129
dblooman wrote: post #83

Floatplane as explained by Linus doesn't make sense, you support a creator by getting videos a little earlier. The cost of building and maintaining a platform like that must be large and seems unnecessary for what is essentially video Patreon. What is sad is that you see youtubers talking in code on videos, not saying words, self censoring because youtube's detection is so good, videos get demonetised instantly. This…

> Floatplane as explained by Linus doesn't make sense, you support a creator by getting videos a little earlier. You support creators by giving them money. In return for supporting a creator you get video content in return. Floatplane as a platform for the most part doesn't dictate what that content is other than it being in the format of a video. LTT themselves have actually been moving away from pushing videos earl…

> Floatplane as a platform for the most part doesn't dictate what that content is other than it being in the format of a video.

Do they allow, say, porn, or white nationalist videos? I'm always curious exactly where platforms set the bounds.

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Post by foobar33333 »

Daho0n wrote: post #202
swlkr wrote: post #150

The ideal platform for something like youtube would be to separate discovery from content. You host the content, and you can pick from UIs/algorithms for the discovery.

So Google video search plus your own website?

Same idea but with a full UI so it works like youtube where you can scroll through suggested content and subscribe to things

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by brudgers »

gist wrote: post #177
dang wrote: post #334

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(This is a stub reply so I can collapse the various comments responding to this, so as not to distract too much from the rest of the thread. Sorry, non-JS users.)

> It's not wrong, of course, but it's been repeated for many years and won't lead to fresh conversation. Assumes there are no new readers on HN and that everyone reads almost everything and nothing needs repeating. Also it's very 'no noobies' as if anyone who is anyone should know the ropes already. And that is not the case. And I've mentioned this before a few times so I will repeat. Why don't you have in your profi…

To me, HN is not hostile toward new users. But part of what makes HN HN is it discourages behaviors new users might bring from elsewhere on the internet when those behaviors are disharmonious with the norms of the HN community. This is how new users acculturate into HN. Or how new users discover HN might not be for them. Or what might stay the determination that it is or isn’t.

HN hasn’t been turning into Reddit for a long while because sometimes the moderators make comments like this and the community goes “Okay” because they value the community and can see the moderator’s point and those matter more than typing something easy to type because it is all over Twitter.

More seriously, if HN’s moderation conflicts with your deeply held principles, HN might not be for you. Like any social media that makes someone unhappy, a voluntary break, temporary or complete, may be warranted.

HN is not going to suddenly become a democracy or collective. Moderation is a big part of what makes HN HN.

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Post by beaconstudios »

endisneigh wrote: post #209
dang wrote: post #207

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I think you're underestimating the ability of HN readers to figure things out. Perhaps that is the answer to both questions.

For what it’s worth I agree with the parent comment. This is the only forum I’ve ever seen where moderators are not clearly labeled as such.

fwiw, it's just dang as far as I'm aware.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by brudgers »

endisneigh wrote: post #209
dang wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're underestimating the ability of HN readers to figure things out. Perhaps that is the answer to both questions.

For what it’s worth I agree with the parent comment. This is the only forum I’ve ever seen where moderators are not clearly labeled as such.

Curious are there other more significant differences?

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by Sophistifunk »

swlkr wrote: post #150

The ideal platform for something like youtube would be to separate discovery from content. You host the content, and you can pick from UIs/algorithms for the discovery.

The problem is that whoever runs the discovery has all the power and gets most of the money. The rest is just bait.

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Post by fallingknife »

xwolfi wrote: post #191
celticninja wrote: post #144

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I understand your point. I am not for or against here, I am providing context. Yes it is a slippery slope argument, however it is almost unique to the United States due to free speech being enshrined in the constitution. Elsewhere free speech come with the caveat "don't be a dick", so you can say what you want e.g trans women should not compete in women's sport, but abusing trans women athletes is not acceptable.and…

Well it's not just don't be a dick, it's also "think of the consequence at every level" ! So if for instance in France I wanted to say "it's important to discuss the possibility the holocaust was an american manipulation", I m not a dick, maybe it s true it s important to discuss it, but you still have to shut the fuck up and think very deeply abt why you think that has to be said. Most places free speech is defended…

So if you say something unpopular, but legal, expect to be harassed by the government? Sounds great!

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Post by astura »

simias wrote: post #18
g42gregory wrote: post #15

I did not even know that Linus had his own site. Fantastic. I won’t be watching his videos on Youtube anymore! Hopefully, everyone I watch will have their own websites, so that I don’t have to visit Youtube.

You comment made me realize that if it becomes reality RSS might finally make a much needed comeback. You'll just poll various decentralized website to find updates for content you actually want. Aaaah, now you got my hopes up. If you had told me in 2005 that'd I'd become nostalgic for Flash-ridden, PHP backed, IE6-compatibilized internet I wouldn't have believed you, and yet here we are.

Isn't rss how podcasts are normally distributed?
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