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Indeed I would.
pretty dumb IMHO - just interview people normally. no use in discriminating against entire schools.
Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
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Re: Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
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Companies like Google can afford to hire the best. They do that by getting people from top end CS schools like Stanford, CMU, Berkeley and other relevant schools for non CS work. HBCUs are simply not in the top tier and don't produce developers that will be worth $200,000 a year. It's not because they're black colleges but because they're not in the top 1 percent.
Is Stanford the best school in and of itself, or do most of the value come from the selection itself?
Re: Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
#53I'm getting quite tired of all this grandstanding by tech companies that routinely perform highly immoral business practices. Google does not give a fuck about black people. They only care about their public image, which is degrading day by day. The idea that Google can fix "racial diversity in tech" is absurd at best. These are deeply rooted systemic issues that need to be addressed from the ground up. No amount of…
Your comments based on personal experience and curiosity are of course welcome.
Re: Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
#54I'm getting quite tired of all this grandstanding by tech companies that routinely perform highly immoral business practices. Google does not give a fuck about black people. They only care about their public image, which is degrading day by day. The idea that Google can fix "racial diversity in tech" is absurd at best. These are deeply rooted systemic issues that need to be addressed from the ground up. No amount of…
Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? You've unfortunately done it repeatedly. We ban such accounts, not just because it isn't what the site is for, but because it destroys what it is for. It leads to flamewars, which destroy curious conversation and bring out the worst from the internet. Your comments based on personal experience and curiosity are of course welcome. https://news.ycombina…
My comment was entirely based on my experience with how companies treat people. Honestly, it feels like you simply did not like what I stated and decided to instate your vague guidelines as reason to remove my comment.
I enjoy HN and the discussions that are had here, but I don't believe that curious conversation has to consist of emotionally muted statements.
I do think you were wrong to remove my comment given what the guidelines state.
Re: Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
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Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? You've unfortunately done it repeatedly. We ban such accounts, not just because it isn't what the site is for, but because it destroys what it is for. It leads to flamewars, which destroy curious conversation and bring out the worst from the internet. Your comments based on personal experience and curiosity are of course welcome. https://news.ycombina…
I don't even know what to say to that. What is ideological about what I said? My comment was entirely based on my experience with how companies treat people. Honestly, it feels like you simply did not like what I stated and decided to instate your vague guidelines as reason to remove my comment. I enjoy HN and the discussions that are had here, but I don't believe that curious conversation has to consist of emotional…
No one's saying you have to be emotionally muted! (I probably have to be, but it doesn't mean anyone else does.) There's no problem with vibrant emotion—the problem is with the sort of repetition that makes up with intensity for what it lacks in new information. It seems to be a kind of mechanism—the mind turns to indignation in the absence of anything more substantial: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
When you say "My comment was entirely based on my experience with how companies treat people."—it's precisely that which your comment lacked. I believe you that it was based on your experience, but it didn't actually share any of that experience; it just angrily repeated some stale tropes. Such a comment is activating rather than interesting, which is why it evokes worse discussion from others. If you had actually shared your relevant experience the comment would probably have been more interesting than activating, and that is what evokes better discussion from others.
(I didn't remove your comment, but I did auto-collapse this low-quality flamewar subthread. That is one trick we use to try to jiggle the system out of its failure modes.)
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Sorry I’m trying to understand, the only people to care about black people are black people- but a political organisation formed by black people to advocate for black people.... is not going to care about black people?
"All skin folk, ain't kin folk" Black Lives Matter has been on the national stage for almost 6(!) years and has accumulated hundreds of millions of dollars, affecting zero change or influence in Black communities. A film was recently released about Fred Hampton of the Black Panther Party (strangely enough, from what I gather, glorifying the man who coordinated his assassination). I bring this up to say, millions of d…
It sounds a lot like you're arguing from your own ignorance. They don't report to you.
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"All skin folk, ain't kin folk" Black Lives Matter has been on the national stage for almost 6(!) years and has accumulated hundreds of millions of dollars, affecting zero change or influence in Black communities. A film was recently released about Fred Hampton of the Black Panther Party (strangely enough, from what I gather, glorifying the man who coordinated his assassination). I bring this up to say, millions of d…
>I have not even heard about them even frying a dang omelette It sounds a lot like you're arguing from your own ignorance. They don't report to you.
tobobo's sibling reply is exemplary.
Re: Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
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I don't even know what to say to that. What is ideological about what I said? My comment was entirely based on my experience with how companies treat people. Honestly, it feels like you simply did not like what I stated and decided to instate your vague guidelines as reason to remove my comment. I enjoy HN and the discussions that are had here, but I don't believe that curious conversation has to consist of emotional…
You're asking me what is ideological about "tech companies that routinely perform highly immoral business practices", "Google does not give a fuck about black people", and "But I'm sure now that people are capitalizing "Black" that things will change"? The entire comment seems to consist of high-indignation, low-information name-calling on the ideological themes of corporatism and race. No one's saying you have to be…
It's quite irritating to have something done like that by someone who is essentially the shot-caller on a site like this on an issue which boils down to opinion. The highbrow condescension isn't necessary either... Anyways, perhaps it's moderation like this that's necessary to keep the forum quality. I do wish it were approached in a different manner however. Even just asking for more clarification or elaboration would have been a better move in this situation.
Anyways, thanks for moderating I guess. I understand that it's a thankless job.
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You're asking me what is ideological about "tech companies that routinely perform highly immoral business practices", "Google does not give a fuck about black people", and "But I'm sure now that people are capitalizing "Black" that things will change"? The entire comment seems to consist of high-indignation, low-information name-calling on the ideological themes of corporatism and race. No one's saying you have to be…
Cool, I'll be more detailed next time. Sorry for the trouble. You could really do more yourself not to hide/remove comments with equally inflammatory responses. It's quite irritating to have something done like that by someone who is essentially the shot-caller on a site like this on an issue which boils down to opinion. The highbrow condescension isn't necessary either... Anyways, perhaps it's moderation like this t…
Calling the shots doesn't just boil down to opinion–there are principles here. They don't determine everything precisely—different people would make different calls. But the principles aren't infinitely flexible, either, and we have a lot of practice in applying them.
Re: Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
#60Why are we expecting these companies (or anyone) to fix all problems. The fix is simple. Focus on your own home and yourself first. Teach your kids more at home. Be more involved with them. Teach them to take responsibility. Don’t do silly degrees that cost huge student loans. Do more STEM. Start a small business. Eat better food. Exercise. Sure there is systemic stuff out there - but it’s 2021 and you have a choice…
> "Teach your kids more at home. Be more involved with them. Teach them to take responsibility. Don’t do silly degrees that cost huge student loans. Do more STEM. Start a small business. Eat better food. Exercise." Wow, I'm glad you have the program down for all the low income people. Why don't they pick themselves up by their bootstraps (which, incidentally, is physically impossible). > Teach kids at home Assumes yo…