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America is not made for people who pee

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Re: America is not made for people who pee

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Post by grey-area »

splaytreemap wrote: post #18
sanp wrote: post #6

So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for killing unarmed law-abiding civilians. Wonder what happened there (did he piss off the wrong people?).

Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty, so I doubt you'll be able to find much evidence supporting this claim. And no, you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest after committing a DUI.

I guarantee you have broken some laws, even if unwittingly. So you are not a law-abiding citizen, ergo cops can kill you with impunity. Still OK with that?

Re: America is not made for people who pee

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Post by alisonkisk »

splaytreemap wrote: post #18
sanp wrote: post #6

So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for killing unarmed law-abiding civilians. Wonder what happened there (did he piss off the wrong people?).

Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty, so I doubt you'll be able to find much evidence supporting this claim. And no, you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest after committing a DUI.

This comment has no relevance to anything. "Law-abiding" is not a requirement for life, and police extremely frequently fail to be law-abiding.

Re: America is not made for people who pee

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Post by alisonkisk »

balozi wrote: post #3

Success of public restroom infrastructure hinges more on how people think of themselves and their fellow humans, and less about actual pee and poop needs. America lucks the requisite social contracts.

Or America lacks the requisite janitorial contracts. Can't UberCleans solve this?

Re: America is not made for people who pee

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Post by alisonkisk »

chr1 wrote: post #15

There is a very simple explanation for this not mentioned in this article: well meaning people have pressured legislators to ban for-pay restrooms, and since not many people feel joy when maintaining a free public restroom, not many restroom remained operating. [1] https://fee.org/articles/why-is-there-a-shortage-in-public-r...

Pay restrooms won't stop street defecation due to poverty.

Re: America is not made for people who pee

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Post by Judgmentality »

splaytreemap wrote: post #18
sanp wrote: post #6

So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for killing unarmed law-abiding civilians. Wonder what happened there (did he piss off the wrong people?).

Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty, so I doubt you'll be able to find much evidence supporting this claim. And no, you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest after committing a DUI.

First of all, people aren't always resisting when the cops kill them. There have been numerous instances in the past few years that got international attention, so I'm not going to detail these.

Then there is the very obvious problem of SWAT raids, where police regularly get the wrong house! But they still go in with their guns, and sometimes shoot before they ask questions. How would you feel if police broke down your door and pointed assault rifles at you, threatening to kill you if you moved? Also, how would you know they're police? They regularly break down the door and threaten to kill someone before ever announcing that they are the police. And even then, how would you know that they are the police? I'd feel absolutely justified murdering anyone that attacked me like that, I don't give a fuck if it's the pope.

Here's some data you can explore if you want to, though.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

https://policeviolencereport.org/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police...

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Post by wombatmobile »

david38 wrote: post #16
sanp wrote: post #6

So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for killing unarmed law-abiding civilians. Wonder what happened there (did he piss off the wrong people?).

It’s because the target was a three year old. Also, your comparison is way off. Not all police departments are the same. Unarmed doesn’t mean “not a threat” or “can in no way be a threat”. I can simply approach you in an angry manner and be a threat. Does it justify death? No, but a three year old?

> Unarmed doesn’t mean “not a threat”

How much of a threat are the "unarmed law-abiding civilians" in the comment you replied to?

Re: America is not made for people who pee

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Post by dragonwriter »

splaytreemap wrote: post #18
sanp wrote: post #6

So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for killing unarmed law-abiding civilians. Wonder what happened there (did he piss off the wrong people?).

Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty, so I doubt you'll be able to find much evidence supporting this claim. And no, you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest after committing a DUI.

> Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty

That's pretty much true by definition, since an officer killing a law-abiding civilian outside of a very narrow class of reasonable bona fide mistakes of fact is, ipso facto, not properly performing authorized job functions, and therefore not acting in the line of duty.

Re: America is not made for people who pee

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Post by happymellon »

splaytreemap wrote: post #18
sanp wrote: post #6

So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for killing unarmed law-abiding civilians. Wonder what happened there (did he piss off the wrong people?).

Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty, so I doubt you'll be able to find much evidence supporting this claim. And no, you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest after committing a DUI.

> you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest

Example one.

> I can't breath.

There are numerous examples happening on a regular basis in the US. They kill US citizens who are not a threat and not resisting all the time.

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