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Did I say arrests?
Where is your data from if not arrests?
FBI UCR is based on reports, not arrests.
Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco
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#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
People of San Francisco passed a law t̶o̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶o̶w̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶r̶o̶b̶b̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶$̶1̶0̶0̶0̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶f̶i̶l̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶p̶s̶.̶ They also expect safe neighborhoods. You can't have both. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26040812 Liberal policies such as this does not solve the actual problem. Instead of providing food and shelter to the poor, perhaps st…
> People of San Francisco passed a law to allow any robbery under $1000 That’s just not true at all, come on, you’re intentionally spreading misinformation. It raised the limit to $950 for the felony threshold for simple theft. Robbery is still a felony. “Prop 47 doesn’t cover robberies, theft by the use of force or fear. It doesn’t cover burglaries,” Gascón said. “If you break into a structure with the intent to com…
You're mostly right but 47 didn't even raise the line to $950. It was already $950. What it did do is remove the discretion prosecutors formerly had to use a felony charge for crimes valued at less than $950 for defendants without prior violent felony convictions.
By comparison, the same dividing line in the state of Texas is set at $1500.
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#423I’ve thought about this quite carefully, and I’m convinced we need to kick California out of the union. There is too big of an impedance mismatch with the rest of the country, and it creates and exports too much economic inequality. The usual retort to this is “what will you do without California’s economic engine?” And that’s a fair point—America without California will be less wealthy. But that will be fine; and in…
>I’ve thought about this quite carefully, and I’m convinced we need to kick California out of the union. There is too big of an impedance mismatch with the rest of the country, and it creates and exports too much economic inequality. I agree about one thing. California actively drives economic inequality. Here's my theory about the entire economy of the US transforming since 2000. Thanks to globalization manufacturin…
I agree with some of your points, but I think you overlook that being a "headquarter state" actually kind of sucks for your average person. The rise in incomes for typical people don't come close to offsetting the inflation that results from the large influx of high-income knowledge workers. All my wife's friends who attended the University of Iowa with her and stayed in state own houses and are getting on with their lives in their mid 30s. That's a wild fantasy in D.C. or NYC or SF. California's net domestic outmigration is over 5 per 1,000 (more people leaving than coming in). That's the inverse of places like Georgia, Florida, Idaho, Oregon, Arizona, etc. Middle class people are running away from the headquarters states.
You obviously don't want to go full Detroit and completely lose your local industries. But more of the U.S. becoming like California would actually be bad too.
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#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
But did that sound correct that they’d allow any robbery? Using that logic, Texas allows any robbery under $2500: Texas Penal Code § 31.03 (3) a Class A misdemeanor if the value of the property stolen is $750 or more but less than $2,500; (4) a state jail felony if: (A) the value of the property stolen is $2,500 or more but less than $30,000, or the property is less than 10 head of sheep, swine, or goats or any part…
Texas also has extremely high gun ownership rates, and is one of the few states (maybe the only) that allows the use of deadly force just to protect property. "There's a good chance you get shot to death" is probably a better deterrent than even a felony, though it's a little morally concerning.
I'm not sure where people get the idea that this is unique to Texas, or that Texas even has the most liberal allowances for use of deadly force. That is definitely not the case.
As a semi-random example, $500 property crime was the threshold for justifiable homicide in Nevada (appears to be $1200 now + a $0 threshold for some classes of property). Criminals knew this and often carefully limited their activity to avoid this threshold, with odd property selection effects.
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" Over-dependency on a single industry, unwillingness to diversify, and an arrogant assumption that the same work could never be done elsewhere. " Like San Francisco?
Only to the extent that San Francisco is over-dependent on tourism. "Tech" is both not really a single industry in the way that auto mfg is and far less dominant than one might guess. Though if you can convince me that Salesforce and Autodesk are meaningfully in the same industry as Spring and LendingClub, I'm all ears.
There seems to be an awful lot of overlap between the positions they are looking for in San Francisco:
Salesforce: https://salesforce.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/External_Career_Sit...
Autodesk: https://autodesk.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/Ext/2/refreshFacet/31...
VMWare (which owns Spring): https://careers.vmware.com/main/jobs?page=1&country=USA&stat...
LendingClub: https://lendingclub.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/External/0/refresh...
Sr. Release Engineer/Build Engineer, Director of Data Initiatives, Sr Staff Engineer Cloud/Saas Security, Sr Product Designer...
If everyone is doing web/mobile development and they suddenly realize that web/mobile development doesn't need to be done in a 2-square-mile area...
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#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only to the extent that San Francisco is over-dependent on tourism. "Tech" is both not really a single industry in the way that auto mfg is and far less dominant than one might guess. Though if you can convince me that Salesforce and Autodesk are meaningfully in the same industry as Spring and LendingClub, I'm all ears.
There seems to be an awful lot of overlap between the positions they are looking for in San Francisco: Salesforce: https://salesforce.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/External_Career_Sit... Autodesk: https://autodesk.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/Ext/2/refreshFacet/31... VMWare (which owns Spring): https://careers.vmware.com/main/jobs?page=1&country=USA&stat... LendingClub: https://lendingclub.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/External/0/refresh..…
You're absolutely right! The companies I mentioned do hire many people with similar skills.
Do you think it's possible that this might not be quite the same as being in the same market and thus being a direct commercial competitor for a company's offerings? Otherwise every company is in the Human Resources and Accounting industries. Perhaps the companies in question are not in commercial competition with one another, and only competing for a certain set of skilled technicians? Do you think the point imtringued made about downstream suppliers might be relevant?
Again, you're completely right. There genuinely is a lot of overlap in titles and skills sought! It just might perhaps be possible that this is not quite the same as all companies concerned being in the same industry. Or perhaps I am wildly wrong! Can you help me with where I might have erred?
The question of how one chooses to define an industry quite aside, the degree to which San Francisco's employment depends on "tech" is easy to overstate. Based on news and this website, you would think it was a third to a half of SF jobs. While an easy and completely understandable conclusion to draw, this would be a dramatic overstatement.
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Shoplifting is tough because it can often be cheaper for the store to write it off than to sufficiently improve security. I think a misdemeanor for theft is fine, but I agree that these laws should be enforced.
It's unlikely that a shop would seek enforcement if it could result in a violent altercation and scare away customers. Likewise police are more likely to expect violence if they are only called in dire emergencies.
I saw a 160lb security guard tackle a 90 lb woman who was probably in her 50s; that was freaky enough. I can't imagine one with resistance.
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You've taken a statement about SF and applied it to an area 140 times the size of SF. Obviously that will result in it being nonsense.
SF is the size of downtown Houston, and Houston does not have these problems. Applying statistics from SF, which is effectively the "downtown" of the Bay Area is not a valid comparison. The population density of San Francisco is not impressive, period. Downtown Houston is much more developed than San Francisco, and that would be a more valid comparison for density. But this also doesn't get to the main point which wa…
On an absolute basis, SF has horrifically restricted housing policy that makes it incredibly difficult to build new, denser housing. However, compared to the broader bay area, SF has incredibly progressive housing policy.
It is ridiculous to compare downtown Houston, which is surrounded on all sides by a zillion square miles of suburbs (under city control!), to SF, which is surrounded by a limited number of more expensive and more restrictive enclaves that SF has no power over, and most of those places are a bridge or tunnel away. Obviously there is going to be less demand, and less premium for land if there are 10,000 other plots within 30 minutes. That just isn't the case in SF.
If the bay area as a whole had better housing policy than it would help SF a lot. But they don't, so it makes it worse for SF. And SF has no control over the housing laws passed in other counties. SF is of course partially at fault, as they should have better housing policy themselves, but they are not entirely responsible for the problem.
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#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
SF is the size of downtown Houston, and Houston does not have these problems. Applying statistics from SF, which is effectively the "downtown" of the Bay Area is not a valid comparison. The population density of San Francisco is not impressive, period. Downtown Houston is much more developed than San Francisco, and that would be a more valid comparison for density. But this also doesn't get to the main point which wa…
On an absolute basis, SF has horrifically restricted housing policy that makes it incredibly difficult to build new, denser housing. However, compared to the broader bay area, SF has incredibly progressive housing policy. It is ridiculous to compare downtown Houston, which is surrounded on all sides by a zillion square miles of suburbs (under city control!), to SF, which is surrounded by a limited number of more expe…
I'm not even comparing that. I have been to SF all the time. SF--just SF--is not as dense as downtown Houston, where housing is affordable.
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Exactly. "I tried to help some cancer patients by giving them jobs and the occasional free meal, but a lot of them just ended up dying of cancer anyways." The day America stops treating addiction as an individual moral failing and starts treating it as a lifelong disease and a collective social failing is the day we finally start to address these issues.
Correction: They day we start dealing with it is the day when your kids are addicted. Until then, it’s not our problem. I’m not sure which drug it’s going to be. Maybe Adderral or Vyvanse being gateway into higher dose amphetamines, or something, but it’s gonna have to be a common drug amongst most of the kids before we take addiction seriously.
Even when it's people's kids they as often as not don't take their addiction seriously. With families there's a lot of enabling and co-dependence that occurs. That's in addition to the views that addition is some moral failing or idle habit.
I think issues around not taking addiction seriously or not understanding it are facets of us collectively not taking mental health seriously.