Companies, not just Google, seem to have a real blind spot here, insofar as they seem to think they can just wait for Harvard or Stanford to graduate more Black students with the degrees they want. A lot of the Black people they want to hire are at HBCUs. Many upper middle class Black people—the folks whose kids had access to technology to tinker with growing up, just like the upper middle class white and asian people who make up much of Google’s workforce—attended HBCUs. And their kids want to go to HBCUs, both to be in a supportive environment but also out of a sense of contributing their economic and social capital to a primarily Black college or university. (Obviously this doesn’t describe all Black people. But it describes a very large group of Black people, and is something that has no analog among white or Asian people. I myself was totally unaware of this dynamic until moving to an area with a lot of affluent Black people.) If companies cared about equity, they should be lining up to hire from HBCUs.
Google’s approach to Black schools explains why there's few Black engs in Tech
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#12I'm getting quite tired of all this grandstanding by tech companies that routinely perform highly immoral business practices. Google does not give a fuck about black people. They only care about their public image, which is degrading day by day. The idea that Google can fix "racial diversity in tech" is absurd at best. These are deeply rooted systemic issues that need to be addressed from the ground up. No amount of…
> The idea that Google can fix "racial diversity in tech" is absurd at best. These are deeply rooted systemic issues that need to be addressed from the ground up. I don't disagree with the substance of your comment, but it's worth pointing out that Alphabet is a company with a $1,416,000,000,000 market cap. If any non-governmental entity could be said to have the resources to address "systemic issues" at the root, it…
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you really want a giant multinationals addressing issues normally handled by the state? Do you really want google to be so involved in education and housing? Is that's whats wrong with our politics, not enough corporate influence? I just want google to provide me reasonable search results, respect my privacy and follow all applicable laws.
Not necessarily. Reading this article I actually find it quite obnoxious that Google would come in and tell HBCU computer science departments to redesign their curricula to focus less on "theoretical" concerns and more on like, Python scripting that G needs from its junior engineers. But it's also worth noting what a dishonest dodge it is for these huge companies posturing like "oh we care so deeply about this issue,…
They have to say this. The executives of these large internet companies get dragged in front of congress regularly and some politicians built their entire careers on passing punitive targeted legislation against said companies.
> as though they can't build whatever pipeline they want to get the candidates they want to get.
That's what they're doing when they're trying to influence the curriculum of computer science departments.
As an aside, I remember flipping through AP (high school level) computer science tests and got a kick out of how the state education board tested students. Here's an example
Consider the following code segment.
List animals = new ArrayList();
animals.add("dog");
animals.add("cat");
animals.add("snake");
animals.set(2, "lizard");
animals.set(3, "fish");
animals.remove(3);
System.out.println(animals);
What is printed as a result of executing the code segment?
(a) [dog, fish, cat]
(b) [dog, fish, lizard]
(c) [dog, lizard, fish]
(d) [fish, dog, cat]
(e) The code throws an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException exception.
https://www.apcsaexam.org/uploads/1/0/7/7/107712547/ap_sampl...
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#14Some more context: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/business/google-hbcus/index.h... . The allegations about Google discriminating against graduates of HBCUs are deeply troubling. For historical, cultural, and political reasons, HBCU’s are a cornerstone of both economic mobility for lower income Black people, as well as the maintenance of economic and social capital among upper income Black people: https://cmsi.gse.rut…
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only people who can give a french toast about black people are black people. It's not going to be: Google, Facebook, etc The Government (tm) SJW's, BLM, etc. And certainly not people on HN The fact is, it's 2021 and people should care about what they do with their themselves, their family and their community first. And stop waiting for [... some other entity ...] to fix their problems.
>The fact is, it's 2021 and people should care about what they do with their themselves, their family and their community first. And stop waiting for [... some other entity ...] to fix their problems. From the other day: https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/city-student... >"He didn't fail, the school failed him. The school failed at their job. They failed. They failed, that's the problem here. They failed…
Regardless of whether the school had made the mandated phone call about absence issues to the kid's mother, "the school failed him" would not be the first phrase I would use to describe the situation. It's possible that the school did fail him; maybe he was bullied and going to school was unbearable! But if that was the case, I am surprised that a sympathetic article about the kid and his mother failed to mention it.
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#16Is Google wrong about this? Google would not be successful if it were unable to evaluate technical competence.
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#17Some more context: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/business/google-hbcus/index.h... . The allegations about Google discriminating against graduates of HBCUs are deeply troubling. For historical, cultural, and political reasons, HBCU’s are a cornerstone of both economic mobility for lower income Black people, as well as the maintenance of economic and social capital among upper income Black people: https://cmsi.gse.rut…
I would probably be hesitant to hire someone from an HBCU because I would think that being immersed in an environment of only certain kind of persons makes you ill adapted to deal with the variety you'll find in the wider world. Also, when an institution defines itself by some characteristic like color, to me it signals that academics is not its primary concern. HBCUs had an important purpose at one time, but today b…
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#18The fix is simple.
Focus on your own home and yourself first.
Teach your kids more at home. Be more involved with them. Teach them to take responsibility. Don’t do silly degrees that cost huge student loans. Do more STEM. Start a small business. Eat better food. Exercise.
Sure there is systemic stuff out there - but it’s 2021 and you have a choice now in what you want to do with your life.
An additional 10% of the population of every race doing just the above would make a bigger difference than any company, government or organization could.
Google does not owe you anything.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The fact is, it's 2021 and people should care about what they do with their themselves, their family and their community first. And stop waiting for [... some other entity ...] to fix their problems. From the other day: https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/city-student... >"He didn't fail, the school failed him. The school failed at their job. They failed. They failed, that's the problem here. They failed…
The article says that the kid was absent or late for 272 days in 3 years. That's over 50% of school days. Regardless of whether the school had made the mandated phone call about absence issues to the kid's mother, "the school failed him" would not be the first phrase I would use to describe the situation. It's possible that the school did fail him; maybe he was bullied and going to school was unbearable! But if that…
Honest question: are report cards no longer a thing?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The idea that Google can fix "racial diversity in tech" is absurd at best. These are deeply rooted systemic issues that need to be addressed from the ground up. I don't disagree with the substance of your comment, but it's worth pointing out that Alphabet is a company with a $1,416,000,000,000 market cap. If any non-governmental entity could be said to have the resources to address "systemic issues" at the root, it…
I think the number one detractor to black neighborhoods from engaging in CS is more of a cultural thing. The same reason why women in tech is still pretty low is also the same reason black people in tech is low. The culture tied to their race/sex in the immediate area tends to sway their futures. If dealing drugs or just dropping out is the norm among your friends, it's gonna be very hard for one to just pick up CS a…