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Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?

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Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?

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Aside from the moral aspects, it's also interesting to think about the results. Would a new brain have difficulty operating a different body? Would one's senses translate similarly? Would the person's idea of where their limbs are in space be all messed up?

Yes, no/yes, and yes, would be my understanding. This of course assumes that we’ve magically attached all of the nerves correctly. No to the part about the senses since what is happening is the doctor is essentially attaching a new blood supply to a severed head that’s been put on ice, so the head-based senses like scent and sight are unchanged. I’d expect the sense of touch and pain to translate well since it’s a one-direction signal sent from the skin pressure sensors to the brain. That’s a simple enough signal processing task that wouldn’t change though the brain would probably have to get used to what sensations correspond to which part of the body. The bi-directional senses like knowing where your limbs are in space would be atrociously tough to recalibrate. That leads me to my Yes answers, because our brain would have an incredibly tough time recalibrating it’s ability to communicate with the body. This is similar to a victims of nerve damage that, after repairing the damage, have to learn how to walk all over again. The message is getting through but it’s a completely garbled mess and the two sides have to re-establish communication.

That was a fun thought experiment. Hopefully it answered your question. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?

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Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.

There's already a gap in you consciousness when you sleep. Is that any different than arriving as the copy?

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Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

Reminds me of Anime One Piece where they want to fix the ship named Merry. But at the end luffy crew realized even if they fix the ship they have to replace the core component and after they replace the ship would no longer be merry.

At the end they had to free merry by burning it :)

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Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.

The video game SOMA asks this question yet in the game both the original and the copy live. It seemed like the copy still thought they were the original and the original wrestled with the idea that their conscience wasn't transfered.

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Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.

This already happens with identical twins, who split from a single embryo at some point in their development.

The only difference with splitting later in life is that you'd share more life memories from before the split.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.

There's already a gap in you consciousness when you sleep. Is that any different than arriving as the copy?

I feel it's more like a gap in memory. We are usually not trained to remember our dreams. Even if I'm waken up in a non-REM phase, there is usually a kind of remembrance of how I felt during sleep.

Edit: Made my statement more vague. There is definitely more to sleep though than turning consciousness off and on again.

Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?

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Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.

The person who wrote the Star Trek TNG Technical Manual mentioned this, and how - as described in the show - it's probably killing you and building a clone with your memories instead of transporting you. He thought about tweaking the lore so it didn't do that, using wormholes or the like, but decided to stay true to the show's established canon.

Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?

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Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.

This concept is addressed in the short story "Think Like a Dinosaur"[0], which also became an episode of "The Outer Limits".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Like_a_Dinosaur

Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.

I always imagine this will be the divide between rich and poor in the future. The more expensive technology will break the person down and send their atoms to the destination to be reconstructed, it will be slower but it will be the same person. The less expensive technology will scan the person send that data and they will be printed out from a a futuristic atomic printer in a process that kills the original. I imag…

For that to matter, atoms would have to be unique. But an identical atom is literally identical. A transported you wouldn’t be any different than a printed you.

I rather suspect that “you” are simply information. If that information is copied, there’s another you—at least for the instant before that “you” starts having its own thoughts and receives information through its own senses.

For you to die on transport and “someone else” to come out the other side, you’d have to exist in some way separate from your physical self; which might suggest you can survive death anyway.

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