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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by JamesBarney » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 6:19 AM UTC

bob33212 wrote: post #88

Moodles wrote: post #17

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Yeah, but we throw a really nice gay pride parade to show we're good people. Loads of BLM support on walls. Many of my colleagues updated their instagram filters.

I interviewed at a company based out of SF last week. The HR person had this long comment about diversity and how that is important at their company and asked what I've done in my career to support diversity. I told him a story about how a company I was at had decided to outsource some of the QA work to India and when the first employee in India came to the US to onboard I was very welcoming and did everything I coul…

Does just showing up to work count? At most of the places I've worked I've been the only white guy on my team.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by JamesBarney » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 6:23 AM UTC

ditonal wrote: post #138

ubertoop wrote: post #91

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Come on dude. People aren't talking about the "weird" or quirky aspects of SF. We're talking about fucking needles, and human feces in the street. Stop protecting this shit by labeling it as something other than human suffering and a public health disaster.

My friend lived in SF for 3 years, then left for a year. He called me to say, “dude what happened to SF? Apparently it’s all shit and needles now.” I had to explain to him that nothing has changed. He was just reading sensationalized media. I live in SF, I would like the city cleaned up, more accountability for taxes, more focus on tax payers over homeless. But at the same time, SF represents liberalism in the US so…

> Most of SFs biggest problems like affordability are caused by too many people wanting to live there

It's caused by not building places for people to live.

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Post by selimthegrim » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 6:28 AM UTC

mikem170 wrote: post #338

selimthegrim wrote: post #308

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I live in New Orleans and by and large things were fine. Maybe 50K people lost power and water in the state and most of those were in BR. (Lake Charles is still recovering from the hurricanes). It was much worse here in Jan 2018. Entergy turned over its grid control to MISO, as well as built a (huge waste of a) gas peaker plant that I will concede was used in this situation but probably wasn't needed given our connec…

I drew an equivalence to highlight that the problems related to the record 100 year cold weather crossed regulatory boundaries, which was the topic of discussion. In Louisiana 2 million people lost power (42% of the state population), 800k had to boil water (17%), and 5 people died (1 of every 940k). In Texas 4.5 million people lost power (17% of the state population), 12 million had water problems (43%), and 40 deat…

The power producers that did winterize couldn't run their plants for lack of gas due to wellheads and pipelines freezing [0] (Texas Railroad Commission jurisdiction) and an emergency order directing gas away from power plants (TRC again) [1]

[0] https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/blackout-crisis-texans-ele... [1] https://www.ft.com/content/12640ebb-5c20-4d00-aec0-9c8810541...

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by veggieburglar » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 6:30 AM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #115

taylorlapeyre wrote: post #101

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I certainly never said that homelessness is “just life.” I’m just realistic. San Francisco will probably always have this problem to some extent, and it’s our responsibility as San Franciscans to help alleviate it as much as possible. None of this has to do with my original point about San Francisco’s recent changes, which I have personally experienced as having a much higher density of artists.

> San Francisco will probably always have this problem to some extent But why? Other cities don't. For example Liechtenstein has literally no homeless people in the entire country. They had to close their last homeless shelter... because it was empty. Many other global cities have single-digit homeless per 100k population. Why does San Francisco have literally ten thousand homeless people and why are the numbers stil…

In their entire country of 38k people, which has the second highest GDP per capita in the world. There are a lot of comparisons one could make here, but this is not the strongest one.

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Post by azinman2 » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 6:30 AM UTC

subpixel wrote: post #318

dccoolgai wrote: post #194

As someone it tech who has spent the last two decades or so thumbing my nose at SF/bay from the East Coast, making bold predictions that the entire house of cards paying 400k for talent you could get for half that or less on the East Coast... Now that it's happened/happening I am not happy about it at all. Having wages collapse there is going to put a drag on the rest of the market across the country. I've spent a lo…

I think you’re right to be worried. The piercing of the Bay Area reality distortion zone, combined with the unprecedented embrace of remote teams, may well mean that for the vast majority of tech workers their value will be judged against someone also very good who is willing to work for considerably less money.

I think the bigger issue in this scenario is that they now can’t move to the Bay Area themselves and both make great money.

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Post by azinman2 » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 6:34 AM UTC

mbgerring wrote: post #311

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What makes you think that things are going to change? I don't live in SF, but things look like they are getting worse.

What happens when the only people left in a city are the ones who truly love it and want it to be as good as it can be?

Exactly. The worst thing for SF is for all the new transplants to not be there for the city, but rather for the money while thumbing their nose at the city. They will invest zero into it, but displace those who contribute to culture in their wake.

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Post by indemnity » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 6:51 AM UTC

richardcrossley wrote: post #284

atweiden wrote: post #239

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Just to add some colour to this: This. I moved outside of Portland a few months ago after three serious incidents on my property involving violent vagrants. In all three cases the police took over an hour to show up and did absolutely nothing. I had a man trying to break in to my backdoor. When I confronted him and demanded that he leave, he began swinging punches and pulled out a knife. I managed to restrain him and…

Next time, say there is a dead body and you heard gun fire. In the UK you'd get every cop for miles and the TV news.

This is the way to get the cops to come in New Zealand too.

Otherwise, it’s the old “can’t do anything until you’ve been assaulted” routine, and hours of waiting.

But mention you heard gunshots and the Armed Offender Squad boys roll around in no time.

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Post by dicomdan » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 7:13 AM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #185

dicomdan wrote: post #81

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Enforcing quality of life laws. It doesn't even have to be a conservative city. Both Boston and Miami look like first world cities compared to SF and LA.

I would classify neither as conservative cities.

That's what I'm saying..

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Post by babesh » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 7:32 AM UTC

jake891 wrote: post #232

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Minor correction: in 2014, the people of CA passed Prop 47, which reclassified most non-violent property theft crimes as misdemeanors [0]. This change is largely credited with the dramatic increase in shoplifting in SF. What’s interesting is why SF appears to be the most affected county. It might be because it continues to elect soft-on-crime City Attorneys or that it fails to investigate organized crime rings that t…

The incarceration rate of SF county is higher than any country or major city in Europe. Persecution ain’t the issue. Lack of housing, healthcare and honourable work is.

Incarceration rate is an invalid indicator. You need to look at the crime rate, the release rate, and the rehabilitation rate.

There are cycles of poverty and culture causing this but the government’s actions turn SF into both a honeypot and an accelerant for crime. It does this by turning a blind eye to crime both in talk and action.

Criminals know that SF is a great place to commit crime. This draws them in from all over and they commit more crime.

The DA is selling the narrative of rehabilitation but the criminals are just taking advantage of it to just commit more crime.

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 7:38 AM UTC

lumost wrote: post #272

aidenn0 wrote: post #238

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Shoplifting is tough because it can often be cheaper for the store to write it off than to sufficiently improve security. I think a misdemeanor for theft is fine, but I agree that these laws should be enforced.

It's unlikely that a shop would seek enforcement if it could result in a violent altercation and scare away customers. Likewise police are more likely to expect violence if they are only called in dire emergencies.

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