Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?
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Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?
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#2Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?
#3Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
I find there to be nothing interesting about it.
This, like so many other “philosophical quæstions” is a futile quibble of semantics that answers nothing.
The simple answer to this problem, and many other problems, is that the exercise of giving clouds of atoms in vicinity to one another “identities” is not one based in salient thought. — there is no such thing.
All Theseus' Ship shows is that, indeed, this theory is flawed, and easily reduced to the absurd, but that is a trivial conclusion an unindoctrinated child should be able to easily make in a multitude of ways. It's as though one come with a thought experiment that demonstrates that the borders of countries are an artificial man-made construct, rather than an actual physical property of the universe. — it is rather obvious.
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#4Until we figure how to hack nerves, I guess being paralyzed from the neck down would suck less than being dead? (also, it's less final!)
Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?
#5Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
It doesn't really raise any interesting philosophical questions though: so long as we're moving at least an intact brain from body to body, nothing dramatic has really happened (and all the small stuff applies up and down the stack - you go under aneasthesia, we put a new part in, you wake up and get all sorts of different signalling from this part which is not genetically yours.
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#6Aside from the moral aspects, it's also interesting to think about the results. Would a new brain have difficulty operating a different body? Would one's senses translate similarly? Would the person's idea of where their limbs are in space be all messed up?
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#7Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original?
He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person?
Star Trek creeps me out a little now.
Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?
#8Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
I find there to be nothing interesting about it. This, like so many other “philosophical quæstions” is a futile quibble of semantics that answers nothing. The simple answer to this problem, and many other problems, is that the exercise of giving clouds of atoms in vicinity to one another “identities” is not one based in salient thought. — there is no such thing. All Theseus' Ship shows is that, indeed, this theory is…
> The simple answer to this problem, and many other problems, is that the exercise of giving clouds of atoms in vicinity to one another “identities” is not one based in salient thought. — there is no such thing.
Are you implying identies don't exist? Because that either has to be sophistry (i.e. trolling) or insanity.
Re: Transplant an organ? Why not an entire body?
#9Ethical and moral considerations aside, this also has some interesting philsophical implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
A colleague went on once about Star Trek transporters: what if they worked by "scanning" a person, sent that data over the airwaves, then, made a perfect copy of somewhere else (sourcing new molecules from wherever) — would this copy believe they were the original? He went on: suppose you kill the original — did you "transport" the person? Star Trek creeps me out a little now.
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I find there to be nothing interesting about it. This, like so many other “philosophical quæstions” is a futile quibble of semantics that answers nothing. The simple answer to this problem, and many other problems, is that the exercise of giving clouds of atoms in vicinity to one another “identities” is not one based in salient thought. — there is no such thing. All Theseus' Ship shows is that, indeed, this theory is…
> The simple answer to this problem, and many other problems, is that the exercise of giving clouds of atoms in vicinity to one another “identities” is not one based in salient thought. — there is no such thing. Are you implying identies don't exist? Because that either has to be sophistry (i.e. trolling) or insanity.
Way to engage in good faith discussion.