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Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by Flex247A »

ex3ndr wrote: post #283
Shadonototro wrote: post #130

VSCode won't kill IDEA, but it is a huge warning for Jetbrains They better invest A LOT MORE into solving slow startup and performance issues that are plaguing their IDEs since the beginning Time to ditch Java on the desktop, or invest in a native AOT compiler / or use GraalVM

Java is not slow, even JS is not slow. 10% performance improvement doesn't make sense for rewrite.

Java's not slow, but IntelliJ consumes a lot of RAM. On computers with less than 8GB RAM, the constant swapping causes bad performance.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by [deleted] »

ex3ndr wrote: post #283
Shadonototro wrote: post #130

VSCode won't kill IDEA, but it is a huge warning for Jetbrains They better invest A LOT MORE into solving slow startup and performance issues that are plaguing their IDEs since the beginning Time to ditch Java on the desktop, or invest in a native AOT compiler / or use GraalVM

Java is not slow, even JS is not slow. 10% performance improvement doesn't make sense for rewrite.

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Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by punjabisingh »

harikb wrote: post #211
mythz wrote: post #30

I used to think VS Code was going to be a threat to JetBrains IDEs considering how fast its iterative development was (thanks in large part to the productivity of JS + Web renderer) but its never seems to quite be able to reach the feature-set, polish & intelligence of JetBrains IDEs. Every IDE function appears to be better implemented in JetBrains, whether it's Code Analysis, Refactoring, Navigation, Running/Debuggi…

I use both. IntelliJ being a paid personal subscription. I like both. But VsCode excels in their remote editing capabilities. Sometimes I work on code that will only compile on a Linux and I am on a Mac. It is not just remote debugging - the whole environment including language server works flawlessly via remote while making you feel like local development. It is good for two good IDEs to survive. I don’t want one of…

VS Code Remote Containers is another cool feature. You can develop inside any Docker container locally. This could essentially mirror whatever image you have deployed into Kubernetes, GKE, GCS, etc.

Ref: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/containers

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by owl57 »

runarberg wrote: post #168
voidfunc wrote: post #3

I don’t really see IntelliJ and VSCode as competitors. VSCode competes with atom and other full-featured text editors (vim, emacs) ... its got great adoption amongst the newer generation of programmers that think those editors are old school and user hostile. VSCodes Java, Python, and Golang support is miles behind IntelliJ. FWIW, on my team at Microsoft where we write a lot of Go, theres a 50/50 split between Intell…

Interestingly, as an emacs user, I am really rooting for the success of VSCode. The existence of the Language Server Protocol means that I have a horse in this race. Emacs users that use the same language server as VSCode users directly benefit from this relationship. So even though VSCode is competing with Emacs for market share, it is very much collaborating with Emacs (and other text editors that use LSP) in makin…

It's more complicated. Microsoft waits until everybody adopts LSP for, say, Python, and then slowly moves to a proprietary language server, explicitly forbidding its use outside VSCode:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25719338

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by smt1 »

mythz wrote: post #30

I used to think VS Code was going to be a threat to JetBrains IDEs considering how fast its iterative development was (thanks in large part to the productivity of JS + Web renderer) but its never seems to quite be able to reach the feature-set, polish & intelligence of JetBrains IDEs. Every IDE function appears to be better implemented in JetBrains, whether it's Code Analysis, Refactoring, Navigation, Running/Debuggi…

tbh, i like the polish of visual studio over vscode. or atom even.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by dineshdb »

reader_mode wrote: post #215
harikb wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use both. IntelliJ being a paid personal subscription. I like both. But VsCode excels in their remote editing capabilities. Sometimes I work on code that will only compile on a Linux and I am on a Mac. It is not just remote debugging - the whole environment including language server works flawlessly via remote while making you feel like local development. It is good for two good IDEs to survive. I don’t want one of…

This right here is what could get me to switch. I could theoretically host an IDE on a workstation and develop from anywhere with a browser. Unfortunately it's not ideal yet - remote editor wouldn't let me touch files not owned by session user (even when I could sudo) and similar issues.

I went this route with code-server[1]. But later decided against it because some shortcuts don't work in the browser. Also installing and managing code-server on those VMs had started becoming a chore.

I am using remote-ssh instead. Hassle-free and works like charm.

Can't comment on sudo issue because I mostly log in using root.

[1]: https://github.com/cdr/code-server [2]: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscod...

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

tharkun__ wrote: post #319
jvolkman wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reason is to be able to full screen the IDE and use its built-in windowing/paneling for editing and terminal.

That seems to intuitively make sense as a want, if I consider the fact that many other devs tell me that they never want to leave their IDE, even just to open a PR or whatever. Is this windowing support somehow superior to using regular windowing and shortcuts? I ask because I personally find that getting used to a new set of shortcuts takes considerable time and creates frustration when you mix em up. I switched to…

I've never quite figured out the advantage to these integrations, either. The only "terminal" that I use occasionally in an editor is BBEdit's "Shell worksheet", which is actually just a plain text document that will send the current line to a shell when you press ^Enter and paste the output into the document starting at the following line. (This is equivalent to Emacs's Shell mode; I don't think I've seen it in other editors.) And I only use that in cases where I want to capture terminal output and do stuff with it in a text editor because, hey, it's right there.

And, so far I've never found a source control integration that I really like more than using command line git or, on specific occasions, standalone git GUI clients.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by zmmmmm »

fctorial wrote: post #346
zmmmmm wrote: post #282

I'll just keep using Eclipse over here in the corner :-) I guess its a case of sunk investment, but having got to the point of understanding top to bottom how Eclipse works I find that it still beats everything else in terms of presenting me with a completely comprehensive framework for developing at a high level of complexity across multiple languages and environments. Every time I move to another tool I find them b…

> missing these deeper features examples?

A lot is in the framework level features: I have workspaces set up with combinations of projects configured as dependencies for each other. The perspectives feature allows me to then have specific window configurations for each, and the working sets lets me zero in on a particular subset of projects and files for what I'm working on. The incremental compilation that crosses project boundaries then means I can, for example, jump into something in library, refactor it, immediately (like, less than a second) have all the errors across all the projects across multiple languages show up from this change ... and nearly as easily execute all the unit tests.

I have projects where pieces are written in PHP, python, Java, Groovy and Javascript and these can all be open at once and do things like, set breakpoints in each step of a flow that executes across them all and follow a process end to end to inspect where it is going wrong.

It may well be this is somehow all possible in IntelliJ but the times I have tried it out I couldn't work out how to do anything as sophisticated as what I routinely do in Eclipse. It could barely highlight the errors in one project correctly without launching Gradle, let alone propagate that downstream to all the dependencies.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by apple4ever »

quercusa wrote: post #183
voidfunc wrote: post #3

I don’t really see IntelliJ and VSCode as competitors. VSCode competes with atom and other full-featured text editors (vim, emacs) ... its got great adoption amongst the newer generation of programmers that think those editors are old school and user hostile. VSCodes Java, Python, and Golang support is miles behind IntelliJ. FWIW, on my team at Microsoft where we write a lot of Go, theres a 50/50 split between Intell…

I think the textbook (i.e., The Innovator's Dilemma ) model for a disruptive technology is specifically one that starts out looking like it only competes in a different (typically lower-value) market, right until it's eating your lunch.

Yup. $200 per year (!!!) vs free is a world of difference.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by pvorb »

nyanpasu64 wrote: post #338
neonological wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intellij allows you to install pretty much most of the features from all the other jetbrains IDEs as plugins. Additionally most of their IDE's have the ability to code in several other languages seperate from the core experience. Almost all of their IDE's can for example integrate with the javascript ecosystem. I think you're making a mistake here. Essentially behind the scenes there's one jetbrains IDE. This IDE is…

A faster/lighter JetBrains IDE would beat everything in VSCode... except for price. CLion and WebStorm and PhpStorm cost money, there's no dedicated Rust IDE yet, and you have to pay money for CLion or (IntelliJ Ultimate) (not Community) to debug Rust programs.

And still, it's really cheap if you consider the amount of work you have to put into configuring other products like VS Code where you end up with an inferior experience. I think it pays off.
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