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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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I’ve lived in San Francisco for about ten years and I’ve never been more excited about the future of this city. We have an incredible opportunity to build a city that works for everyone and not just a glorified dorm room complex for young tech workers. The next few years are looking very good!

What makes you think that things are going to change? I don't live in SF, but things look like they are getting worse.

What happens when the only people left in a city are the ones who truly love it and want it to be as good as it can be?

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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What do they do in the conservative cities that's more successful?

Enforcing quality of life laws. It doesn't even have to be a conservative city. Both Boston and Miami look like first world cities compared to SF and LA.

These cities are considerably larger and the homeless can be corraled somewhere out of sight. The difference is that in SF you have to see them.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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I’ve lived in San Francisco for about ten years and I’ve never been more excited about the future of this city. We have an incredible opportunity to build a city that works for everyone and not just a glorified dorm room complex for young tech workers. The next few years are looking very good!

There is no way to make the city work for everyone. The city has so many constraints on it, there is no way for everyone to be happy.

For one, it's incredibly geographically constrained. Because it's constrained, housing supply is restricted, which drives prices up enormously and displaces the majority of the population. If you open up housing development, and high-rises start shooting up everywhere, the identity of the city diminishes, and it will lose a good deal of the character that most find appealing about it. Maintain development restrictions, however, and you get people complaining about the NIMBYism and extremely high prices.

In regards to the homeless, how do you resolve that? I mean, if your solution is to provide them with housing in one of the most geographically constrained and most expensive places on the planet, well then you're going to contribute to the first problem. If you're going to move them somewhere else, you'll ease up on the housing constraint issues, but upset the homeless population, and a good deal of people who thought that the homeless were perfectly entitled to live in the middle of most expensive city in the country.

What about the culture? The artistic community that had a larger presence in the city a few decades ago absolutely hates the influx of tech workers. Tech has taken root as a primary identity of the city. Does the city work for everybody when the tech workers continue to displace artists, or the artists prevent the tech workers for moving in?

In what way are you going to come up with solutions that "work for everybody?"

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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post #278

I’ve lived in San Francisco for about ten years and I’ve never been more excited about the future of this city. We have an incredible opportunity to build a city that works for everyone and not just a glorified dorm room complex for young tech workers. The next few years are looking very good!

Hats off to your optimism, but having lived in SF it looks the govt has only gotten more dysfunctional. It was never about “building a city that works for everyone” and good luck on changing that.

Civic participation is a long, hard slog that rewards the people who stay with it. Best of luck to you wherever you landed.

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I never understood why companies paid the living costs of SF instead of locating in the Midwest or smaller cities. Someone told me it’s because SF is where all the talent goes so it would be unwise to locate elsewhere. Maybe COVID has revealed that geography is not as important to success as people believed.

1. Closeness to the Stanford university ecosystem which promoted tech. Berkeley isn't too far away physically, though it may not be very near ideologically. Talent helps. 2. Matthew Effect: The (talent-)rich (cities) get richer. 3. Weather. I have lived at some point in the midwest. Shovelling snow in a morning storm so that you can get in the car to go to office is not something I'd want to do again. Maybe Denver ha…

i live in denver. winters are getting warmer and drier but the summers lately have been very very hot and wayyy too much smoke from fires. still amazing weather though!

you're right on the traffic it's always sucked but not as bad as like LA of course.

with the population growth it goes right back into highways.. always building/expanding ;(

i feel like in theory we should be super bike/walk friendly; if Minneapolis can build bike highways that are used in the dead of winter we should be able too. but we don't. my neighbors prioritize and fight politically for street parking. you can't even see into intersections because they let cars park right up to the edge. they're trying to make a street near me a bike corridor - put in fake roundabouts - but it's not a protected lane and they still have parking on the street ffs.

the light rail should have been more promising too. we do have good buses though and the train to airport is nice. maybe can someday finish the boulder extension.

we're building a ton of condos in the center of denver so i really hope we get more pedestrian first voters.

And also please let's keep outdoor dining/drinking post COVID. take back the streets from cars!

I don't drive and live purposefully where i can walk or uber. it's great unless you go to the mounatins a lot.

i supported a mayoral candidate who really wanted to restore the street cars - it makes a ton of sense would love to see it return on a few of the major streets like colfax downtown to CU hospital.

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It's more than that- dodd frank made financing for building spec houses/housing next to impossible unless participating in a hud or similar program. These policies result in the exact opposite of what you would want to build class mobility/ American Dream/ generational wealth: more rentals (without lowering rental costs, since govt guarantees a min return), less home ownership, and a higher barrier to invest in the h…

What?! Dodd-Frank had nothing to do with it. The housing price crash allowed institutional buyers to make a new asset class out of SFR. They bought hundreds of thousands of houses. They aggressively increase rents because they’re levered and their returns come from rent increases. This has caused rents in the rest of America to sky rocket. Not only do they vacuum up inventory, they never sell it. This hurts would be…

Dodd frank made it next to impossible for small investors to finance rentals or spec houses, or for builders to finance new inventory.

I'd say that benefits large investors.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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I’ve lived in San Francisco for about ten years and I’ve never been more excited about the future of this city. We have an incredible opportunity to build a city that works for everyone and not just a glorified dorm room complex for young tech workers. The next few years are looking very good!

There is no way to make the city work for everyone. The city has so many constraints on it, there is no way for everyone to be happy. For one, it's incredibly geographically constrained. Because it's constrained, housing supply is restricted, which drives prices up enormously and displaces the majority of the population. If you open up housing development, and high-rises start shooting up everywhere, the identity of…

I don’t know, but as I am both an artist and a tech worker, I have a large stake in whatever comes next, and I know that the future belongs to the people who show up for it.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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As someone it tech who has spent the last two decades or so thumbing my nose at SF/bay from the East Coast, making bold predictions that the entire house of cards paying 400k for talent you could get for half that or less on the East Coast... Now that it's happened/happening I am not happy about it at all. Having wages collapse there is going to put a drag on the rest of the market across the country. I've spent a lo…

I think you’re right to be worried. The piercing of the Bay Area reality distortion zone, combined with the unprecedented embrace of remote teams, may well mean that for the vast majority of tech workers their value will be judged against someone also very good who is willing to work for considerably less money.

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> I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism, yet... Have you ever stopped to seriously consider if this is the realistic end result of liberalism? This is a very common trend for major cities that have been under liberal control for decades (Philly, Baltimore, Chicago, etc). And yet somehow the politicians convince the population that this…

It’s because people don’t so much like their party as they have visceral hatred for the other one.

But wouldn't it make logical sense for the general population to consider trying something different? We're talking decades of single party control (left wing liberals), and these cities are rat-pits.

I guess that's why it's so powerful that the left currently owns the mass media...they stir up that visceral hatred to the point where people forget about reality.

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I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

Sir, you are gravely mistaken about the 'Loin. People do not shit in the street there. They shit in 20-pound bags left upon the street:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/bag-of-...

Important distinction. Take note.

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