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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by dkdk8283 »

Moodles wrote: post #6

I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

> I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go.

I worked on a public project. The funds were misappropriated in my opinion. Your tax dollars are wasted like in every other state. Therefore: lower taxes.

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Post by ralusek »

ajmurmann wrote: post #142
throwaway6734 wrote: post #16

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NIMBYism is a scourge

It's puzzling to me that NIMBYism seems so common among people who identify as liberal. It's clearly just another way of kicking away the ladder and is inherently with the stated goals of liberalism. At least neo-liberals seems to have gotten this one 100% correct.

NIMBYism isn't congruent with liberalism. Liberalism is an anti-authoritarian, market philosophy. NIMBYism is about leveraging authoritarian policy to dictate what others can do. If housing in SF were left to market forces, there would be a completely set of different problems...but NIMBYism wouldn't be one of them.

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Post by Izikiel43 »

hnhousingthrow wrote: post #230

I left SF 8 months ago after renting a small room for 5 years at ~$2k/month with housemates. By moving ~150 miles away I was able to buy my first house, ~2100 sqft on 4 acres (!) for ~$600,000. Any thoughts on what to do when the pandemic ends and employers make us come back to the Bay Area office? I really do love San Francisco, it's so naturally beautiful, the hills give perspectives of communities, so many neighbo…

> Any thoughts on what to do when the pandemic ends and employers make us come back to the Bay Area office?

Get an employer which allows remote work.

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Post by NotChina »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #250
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #71

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> "I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism, yet in Tenderloin every day for decades tech bros have stepped over needles and homeless people on their way to make their 200k a year" What is the irony?

That the most liberal place has such disparity, I assume.

Where is the black middle class, or upper class? See the Housewives of Atlanta. Nothing like this to be found in Oakland.

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Post by mushbino »

lettergram wrote: post #268
atweiden wrote: post #236

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It’s an untenable situation to have tens of thousands of people shooting up heroin, defecating openly on city streets and accosting the public — sometimes violently — while local residents foot the bill. This is a federal issue. West coasters deserve to live in cities with reasonable standards of public health and safety, and local governments are unable to solve the problem through social programs without attracting…

Ugh, almost all modern cities have solved this. SF can solve this too. You force the homeless out of the city and attempt to rehabilitate where you can. Also, this is definitely not a federal problem. At most it’s a Cali problem. This is how the US works, local jurisdictions deal with the local problem.

Force them out of cities to where exactly? It doesn't sound like you've thought this through.

What OP meant was that it will take a federal initiative, meaning something that will cover every state and local jurisdiction. If they're forced out of one locality, what's to stop the next one from moving them out of there and so on?

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Post by sethherr »

jeffbee wrote: post #243
rsj_hn wrote: post #229

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San Francisco high in property crime but low in arrests: "San Francisco has by far the highest property crime rate in California, with more than twice the number of reported thefts per capita than Los Angeles or Santa Clara counties, according to a new report by the Public Policy Institute of California. And when it comes to arrests, San Francisco is 50th out of the state’s 58 counties." https://www.sfchronicle.com/b…

Did I say arrests?

Where is your data from if not arrests?

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Post by selimthegrim »

mikem170 wrote: post #258
dehrmann wrote: post #174

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While I agree, the recent Texas power outage is the result of a free-market system for energy. California hasn't done well with energy either, but for different reasons. My point is that funny things happen when markets fail and when empathy-driven policy goes too far.

> the recent Texas power outage is the result of a free-market system for energy Texas was not the only area that had problems. Louisiana is regulated and had outages, people with no potable water, etc [0] Nearby states did not have available power to send via the interconnects. It was really cold for a really long time. Everyone talks about how it snowed ten years ago in Austin. I know, I was there. But do they also…

I live in New Orleans and by and large things were fine. Maybe 50K people lost power and water in the state and most of those were in BR. (Lake Charles is still recovering from the hurricanes). It was much worse here in Jan 2018.

Entergy turned over its grid control to MISO, as well as built a (huge waste of a) gas peaker plant that I will concede was used in this situation but probably wasn't needed given our connection with other states. Louisiana may be an economic colony of Texas, but please don't drag us into apologia for the national media or Texas' poor decisions.

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Post by dcolkitt »

jake891 wrote: post #232
navi0 wrote: post #64

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Minor correction: in 2014, the people of CA passed Prop 47, which reclassified most non-violent property theft crimes as misdemeanors [0]. This change is largely credited with the dramatic increase in shoplifting in SF. What’s interesting is why SF appears to be the most affected county. It might be because it continues to elect soft-on-crime City Attorneys or that it fails to investigate organized crime rings that t…

The incarceration rate of SF county is higher than any country or major city in Europe. Persecution ain’t the issue. Lack of housing, healthcare and honourable work is.

Even if you released every prisoner in America, besides the rapists and murderers, the US would still have a higher incarceration rate than Europe. I'm sure the SF specific numbers would tell a similar story.

You can't simply compare European to American incarceration statistics without taking into account that the US is an extremely criminal country for the developed world. And no, this doesn't have to do with universal healthcare or any other hobby horse. America had much higher homicide rates going back to the 18th century, well before modern European welfare states. (Not just the US, the Western Hemisphere in general has always had much higher rates of violent crime.)

The fact of the matter is that we're a violent society. Absent total abolition of prison, we're always gong to have much higher incarceration rates than Europe.

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Post by mushbino »

nradov wrote: post #269
mrfusion wrote: post #161

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Building islands would be cool too. Didn’t Dubiai (sp) do that?

Let's please not wreck the San Francisco Bay with artificial islands.

You mean more artificial islands built on landfill.
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