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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by mcguire »

chrisseaton wrote: post #115
taylorlapeyre wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I certainly never said that homelessness is “just life.” I’m just realistic. San Francisco will probably always have this problem to some extent, and it’s our responsibility as San Franciscans to help alleviate it as much as possible. None of this has to do with my original point about San Francisco’s recent changes, which I have personally experienced as having a much higher density of artists.

> San Francisco will probably always have this problem to some extent But why? Other cities don't. For example Liechtenstein has literally no homeless people in the entire country. They had to close their last homeless shelter... because it was empty. Many other global cities have single-digit homeless per 100k population. Why does San Francisco have literally ten thousand homeless people and why are the numbers stil…

Liechtenstein has a population of 38,000. The median income is about $60,000. GDP per capita is $165,028.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by mcguire »

Kalium wrote: post #182
mdgrech23 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Detroiter I'm curios to hear why you think Detroit went the way it did.

Over-dependency on a single industry, unwillingness to diversify, and an arrogant assumption that the same work could never be done elsewhere. Add in highways, commuting, and an infrastructure maintenance death spiral as domestic car production lost its major advantages. Rising crime added to the death spiral, as people who could moved out and the general deprivation of Detroit grew. Many of the suburbs developed the…

"Over-dependency on a single industry, unwillingness to diversify, and an arrogant assumption that the same work could never be done elsewhere."

Like San Francisco?

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Post by rsj_hn »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #213
rsj_hn wrote: post #210

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I would say a population decline for any big state is a bit unusual, no?

Nope. Look at New York. Anyways, if you want to see the reality, do a Google for “California population”, it will include Florida and Texas in a graph that goes back to 1920.

The exodus from NY was pretty remarkable and widely commented on. It was devastating for the state and led to the bankruptcy of NYC.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by somehnrdr14726 »

jeffbee wrote: post #172
coryrc wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more sarcasm than not. He's saying it was never a desirable area but tech companies moved there anyway despite theoretically having the money to be nicer places.

Name a tech company with an office in the Tenderloin.

I can't think of one, but I also can't tell the difference between the tenderloin and SOMA anymore.

Everyone's comments makes sense to me if you swap SOMA in for tenderloin

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Post by mav3rick »

Xcelerate wrote: post #60

We left the Bay Area to be closer to family. It was going to happen at some point, but the pandemic just accelerated the move. The Bay Area is still my favorite place though, so ironically I’m able to save up faster to buy a house there (for retirement) by not living there currently, assuming remote incomes don’t drop drastically after the pandemic. Anecdotally, at our apartment complex in Asheville, there are three…

Remote salaries will dip

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Post by 3131s »

29athrowaway wrote: post #193
Moodles wrote: post #6

I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

What people call "homelessness", are different (yet overlapping) problems that can be mitigated separately: 1) Public urination / defecation: There is a need for more public bathrooms. That's cheaper than spending millions of dollars cleaning poop and urine from the streets. 2) Public intoxication and substance abuse: Decriminalizing drugs and letting people get as intoxicated as they want is not a responsible approa…

Public intoxication and substance abuse: Decriminalizing drugs and letting people get as intoxicated as they want is not a responsible approach.

You won't stop me or anyone else with your nanny-state laws. It's easy to get bricks in Cali, good luck!

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Post by nelwr »

judge2020 wrote: post #181
s5300 wrote: post #157

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...This actually happens in the downtown of literally every major metro in the US because the US is terrible at dealing with the underlying issues that lead to this sort of thing as a whole. Just because you haven't exposed yourself to it nor seen about it in disgusting sensationalist shitshow that is media in the US doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Is there some CDC or HHS data on public defecation? e: remove false info

The incident in your link occurred in Canada, not San Francisco.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by Kalium »

mcguire wrote: post #222
Kalium wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over-dependency on a single industry, unwillingness to diversify, and an arrogant assumption that the same work could never be done elsewhere. Add in highways, commuting, and an infrastructure maintenance death spiral as domestic car production lost its major advantages. Rising crime added to the death spiral, as people who could moved out and the general deprivation of Detroit grew. Many of the suburbs developed the…

" Over-dependency on a single industry, unwillingness to diversify, and an arrogant assumption that the same work could never be done elsewhere. " Like San Francisco?

Only to the extent that San Francisco is over-dependent on tourism. "Tech" is both not really a single industry in the way that auto mfg is and far less dominant than one might guess.

Though if you can convince me that Salesforce and Autodesk are meaningfully in the same industry as Spring and LendingClub, I'm all ears.

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Post by rsj_hn »

jeffbee wrote: post #166
rsj_hn wrote: post #108

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Gascon isn't the DA, Boudin is (the son of leftwing activists who convicted of felony murder for killing two policemen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesa_Boudin ). With his parents in prison Boudin was adopted by Bill Ayers, another Weather Underground leader who also made headlines for saying (in a video interview - https://daleyeagerdotcom.wordpress.com/2020/01/15/breaking-v... reminiscent of Hobsbawm) we might…

The "special brand of lawlessness" includes having hit an all-time-low robbery rate in 2019, the latest data available.

San Francisco high in property crime but low in arrests:

"San Francisco has by far the highest property crime rate in California, with more than twice the number of reported thefts per capita than Los Angeles or Santa Clara counties, according to a new report by the Public Policy Institute of California.

And when it comes to arrests, San Francisco is 50th out of the state’s 58 counties."

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/SF-ra...

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Post by hnhousingthrow »

I left SF 8 months ago after renting a small room for 5 years at ~$2k/month with housemates. By moving ~150 miles away I was able to buy my first house, ~2100 sqft on 4 acres (!) for ~$600,000. Any thoughts on what to do when the pandemic ends and employers make us come back to the Bay Area office?

I really do love San Francisco, it's so naturally beautiful, the hills give perspectives of communities, so many neighborhoods and main streets, so much stimulation, I learned about deep learning from housemates there in 2015 and was able to make a living out of it that I probably wouldn't have been able to elsewhere. Wish I listened to my other housemates espousing bitcoin and the original ethereum ico...

I made $200k salary last year and yet have no prospect for ownership of a nice home anywhere in the Bay Area, let alone San Francisco, and I'm one of the lucky ones. Even the shitty houses where I grew up near Compton, CA are asking more than half a mil now. Not sure how this all ends...

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