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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Cities are the root cause, imo. As a society we need to spread out towards the countryside more.

Cities are more efficient and sustainable. Most importantly, cities bring people together to enable cooperation, therefore acting as a multiplier on what is produced and generally making humanity better off. What’s needed are better run cities.

The connection to nature one finds residing in the countryside is pretty much impossible to replicate while living in a city. Wildlife diversity, fresh air, ability to grow and harvest a garden - all of these are much more accessible outside a city and I believe lead to much more wholesome human experience. The concrete and glass of a modern metropolis do not make me feel like humanity is “better off”. Just my two cents though

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

> I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism, yet...

Have you ever stopped to seriously consider if this is the realistic end result of liberalism? This is a very common trend for major cities that have been under liberal control for decades (Philly, Baltimore, Chicago, etc). And yet somehow the politicians convince the population that this time around will be different.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

What do they do in the conservative cities that's more successful?

Throw the homeless in jail basically.

It "solves" the problem in that the homeless are no longer visible. Whether that is a "solution" is up to the individual to decide.

Winter also self-limits the homeless in many liberal and conservative states.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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post #106
post #95

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Allowing new housing to be built to satisfy demand.

SF is surrounded by water on 3 sides. Where do you propose all these new houses be built?

Maybe one of SF’s tech companies can invent a technology that would allow housing to be stacked vertically.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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SF trolled tech and let them have the Tenderloin. It took all those bright folks a decade to figure it out.

They’re intelligent, not bright.

What is the difference?

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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post #106
post #95

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Allowing new housing to be built to satisfy demand.

SF is surrounded by water on 3 sides. Where do you propose all these new houses be built?

New construction can replace old construction. In theory.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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> I'm excited to see it get weirder ... personally, I like [it] I think the problem is that the 'weirdness' is more like 'human suffering'. People treat it like a charming part of the experience for their benefit... but like it's real people suffering.

If you’re imagining crime and homelessness, that’s not exactly what I mean by “weirdness” – those are problems that San Francisco needs to fix... and will probably always need to fix.

> will probably always need to fix.

Quitter.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Yeah, but we throw a really nice gay pride parade to show we're good people. Loads of BLM support on walls. Many of my colleagues updated their instagram filters.

I interviewed at a company based out of SF last week. The HR person had this long comment about diversity and how that is important at their company and asked what I've done in my career to support diversity. I told him a story about how a company I was at had decided to outsource some of the QA work to India and when the first employee in India came to the US to onboard I was very welcoming and did everything I coul…

I don't think it's symbolic or virtue signalling. In the SF area, "diverse" is just an HR term of art that means "black, Hispanic, or female". (You'll often see people say things like "we'd like 40% of our candidate pool to be diverse", which only really make sense under that definition.) The idea of building a welcoming environment for people from all walks of life is usually referred to as "inclusion".

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Yes, San Francisco is lagging cities in Texas in providing social services, which is why its homelesssness/street-disorder/drug-abuse problem is so much worse. There is a point at which you have to realize/admit that your ideological narrative, and the public sector interests who popularize it, are wrong. The left coast cities, from San Fran to Vancouver, have prioritized decriminalization of drugs, social services,…

SF is over 5x denser than Dallas, which is the densest major city in Texas. The problem with homelessness is people can't afford to live in homes. It is a lot easier to avoid homelessness when you have essentially endless space to build housing.

> SF is over 5x denser than Dallas

San Francisco is also 3x less dense than Paris (Paris, France).

SF could add homes for 1.5 million people and still be as livable as Paris, if it wanted to.

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