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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by taylorlapeyre »

setpatchaddress wrote: post #74
taylorlapeyre wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re imagining crime and homelessness, that’s not exactly what I mean by “weirdness” – those are problems that San Francisco needs to fix... and will probably always need to fix.

SF’s homeless problem is out of control in a way that it isn’t in most large cities. You can’t say “that’s just life”.

I certainly never said that homelessness is “just life.” I’m just realistic. San Francisco will probably always have this problem to some extent, and it’s our responsibility as San Franciscans to help alleviate it as much as possible.

None of this has to do with my original point about San Francisco’s recent changes, which I have personally experienced as having a much higher density of artists.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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ganstyles wrote: post #76
systemvoltage wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not intentionally. I corrected the post before you posted.

Arguably the larger problem is that you (general "you" as in people like you) think this could even be a thing, like you've just completely bought into your biases and didn't do any sort of research on the topic. Your original assertion that robbery under $1000 (or any robbery, really) becoming defacto uncriminalized is so beyond the pale I'm not sure how _anyone_ wouldn't just automatically think they were being mis…

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by oh_sigh »

taylorlapeyre wrote: post #41

I may as well represent a different perspective here. I am not leaving San Francisco. It's beautiful here. I'm excited to see it get weirder. I will always choose to live somewhere that is exciting over somewhere that will be the same forever. Everything about San Francisco has always been "temporary." This city is boom/bust, constantly changing. It's interesting, having a front-row seat to the ways that people and c…

If you really want weird you should try some favelas outside of Rio. You'd love it there if you're looking for weird like they have in SF!

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by taylorlapeyre »

lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #100
taylorlapeyre wrote: post #41

I may as well represent a different perspective here. I am not leaving San Francisco. It's beautiful here. I'm excited to see it get weirder. I will always choose to live somewhere that is exciting over somewhere that will be the same forever. Everything about San Francisco has always been "temporary." This city is boom/bust, constantly changing. It's interesting, having a front-row seat to the ways that people and c…

One of the most strangely written cope pieces I've seen pro-SF so far. San Francisco has never been less exciting. Sure, it'll remain the Enterprise SaaS capital of the world for a while, but all the most exciting and interesting people have higher expectations than never-ending battles with NIMBYs and deranged city councils. It's been feeling like time for a change for years now. I'm glad to see it happening.

All I can say is that my experience is much different than yours.

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Post by almost_usual »

ubertoop wrote: post #97
RedComet wrote: post #33

I'm sure those living in the rest of the state can't wait for them to move there and recreate the same problems they were fleeing.

You have got to be kidding. SF, and California generally, has had systemic problems that have virtually nothing to do with the recent tech boom.

That’s true, the State of Jefferson folks probably won’t listen though.

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Post by mikeg8 »

api wrote: post #95
mushbino wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do they do in the conservative cities that's more successful?

Allowing new housing to be built to satisfy demand.

SF is surrounded by water on 3 sides. Where do you propose all these new houses be built?

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Post by moneywoes »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #58
cobraetor wrote: post #4

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Texas too. https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/11/02/s...

If you’ve lived in both you’d know there’s not much to worry about lol

For someone who has not lived in either can you elaborate

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by rsj_hn »

chomp wrote: post #36
systemvoltage wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People of San Francisco passed a law t̶o̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶o̶w̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶r̶o̶b̶b̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶$̶1̶0̶0̶0̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶f̶i̶l̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶p̶s̶.̶ They also expect safe neighborhoods. You can't have both. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26040812 Liberal policies such as this does not solve the actual problem. Instead of providing food and shelter to the poor, perhaps st…

> People of San Francisco passed a law to allow any robbery under $1000 That’s just not true at all, come on, you’re intentionally spreading misinformation. It raised the limit to $950 for the felony threshold for simple theft. Robbery is still a felony. “Prop 47 doesn’t cover robberies, theft by the use of force or fear. It doesn’t cover burglaries,” Gascón said. “If you break into a structure with the intent to com…

Gascon isn't the DA, Boudin is (the son of leftwing activists who convicted of felony murder for killing two policemen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesa_Boudin). With his parents in prison Boudin was adopted by Bill Ayers, another Weather Underground leader who also made headlines for saying (in a video interview - https://daleyeagerdotcom.wordpress.com/2020/01/15/breaking-v... reminiscent of Hobsbawm) we might need to kill 25 million Americans if they resist communism and this was an acceptable price to pay to achieve social justice.

Boudin was proud of this heritage and campaigned as having impeccable socialist credentials as the adopted son of Ayers. He went on the record announcing how devastating it was to have parents in jail and vowed to reduce prosecutions. He announced a policy of not prosecuting for property crimes especially if the offenders belong to certain victimhood groups, he fired a number of prosecutors who were responsibile for prosecuting gang crime (https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/01/10/new-san-francis...), and he instituted a policy of pressuring victims of violent crime to not press charges and accept "restorative justice" programs, especially if the offenders were members of victim classes - even for murder. Victims of violent crime report substantial pressure from Boudin's office repeatedly calling and demanding they agree to diversionary programs while victims of property crime are often ignored entirely and police discourage the filing of reports. Despite this, the city now leads the nation in property crime.

Citing quotes by Gascon for a State proposition is not a sufficient characterization for the special brand of lawlessness we have here in San Francisco.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by dmix »

almost_usual wrote: post #86
creato wrote: post #15

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I don't think San Francisco will ever be Detroit. The geography constrained SF from physically expanding to the point where it can't sustain itself, unlike Detroit. I think more likely is hitting some low point, and then a crackdown/reversal of the politics. I think a more apt analogy is SF now is like NYC in the 80s, and the 90s cleanup is coming sooner or later.

If strip clubs and peep shows replace all these empty retail fronts we’ll get there. Sounds like open liquor laws will be a go post covid. Party time.

Isn’t SF zoning and city laws much more NIMBY and less objectively progressive than the cities reputation?

I thought that’s why it’s so dirty and full of obvious problems like petty crime and homelessness. A local political system disconnected from solving the IRL problems.

You’re right though. The solution to SF is actual liberalism of laws around the fun stuff and help for those in need to get them out of the cycle of criminality by being more reasonable with them (shelters and safe injection sites with opiate programs so they don’t have to steal and destroy i property in order to live).

I could see the latter happening like it is here in Canada (there’s always that homeless/career criminal niche everywhere) although it seems like 10x higher out on the west coast and given the tax rate as it is already super high idk if they have the appetite to do the right thing and cut other useless stuff to offset it.

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