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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by ubertoop »

taylorlapeyre wrote: post #41

I may as well represent a different perspective here. I am not leaving San Francisco. It's beautiful here. I'm excited to see it get weirder. I will always choose to live somewhere that is exciting over somewhere that will be the same forever. Everything about San Francisco has always been "temporary." This city is boom/bust, constantly changing. It's interesting, having a front-row seat to the ways that people and c…

Come on dude. People aren't talking about the "weird" or quirky aspects of SF. We're talking about fucking needles, and human feces in the street. Stop protecting this shit by labeling it as something other than human suffering and a public health disaster.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by api »

Lammy wrote: post #68
Moodles wrote: post #6

I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

The way San Francisco is managed finally made sense to me (in a bad way) once I learned about the Second Great Migration and the fact that there was basically no black population here until World War 2. Making the cost of living as expensive as possible is a wonderfully deniable way to drive out people who have been repeatedly denied the ability to build generational wealth: https://www.forbes.com/sites/priceonomics/…

I've thought this for a while: NIMBYism and other anti-development policies is how liberals implement "red lining" with plausible deniability... even to themselves. They're not trying to exclude the poor and minorities. They're trying to protect the environment! Never mind that these policies encourage sprawl and waste.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by williesleg »

birken wrote: post #54
czbond wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Allow' and 'not enforce for motivated individuals' are very close together.

The laws are enforced. I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that shows Prop 47 has led to higher crime rates. In fact there are many studies which show there isn't any, while at the same time the state is saving tons of money not incarcerating non-violent offenders. I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that Chesa Boudin has led to higher crime rates, though I'm not sure how controlled the comparison is of pandemi…

What laws are enforced? Not shitting on the street isn't enforced. Car break ins and robberies aren't enforced. If it were so wonderful people would move in, not out.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by mushbino »

lettergram wrote: post #26
Moodles wrote: post #6

I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

Just want to point out, this could be the result of socialist values. Throughout all history from Rome to Soviet Russia to the Bay Area. Giving away free stuff leads to an influx of people to the population center. They wanted or needed a free ride. The population center doesn’t get taxes from those people, so they are a burden on the system. Further exasperating the issue, corruption. There’s always corruption, in a…

So you're saying the homeless and mentally ill in San Francisco are just lazy and grifting the system? There's plenty of data available to show how naive that statement is. What would be your proposed solution?

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by api »

mushbino wrote: post #70
Moodles wrote: post #6

I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

What do they do in the conservative cities that's more successful?

Allowing new housing to be built to satisfy demand.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by moneywoes »

bob33212 wrote: post #88
Moodles wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but we throw a really nice gay pride parade to show we're good people. Loads of BLM support on walls. Many of my colleagues updated their instagram filters.

I interviewed at a company based out of SF last week. The HR person had this long comment about diversity and how that is important at their company and asked what I've done in my career to support diversity. I told him a story about how a company I was at had decided to outsource some of the QA work to India and when the first employee in India came to the US to onboard I was very welcoming and did everything I coul…

How big is this company

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by ubertoop »

RedComet wrote: post #33

I'm sure those living in the rest of the state can't wait for them to move there and recreate the same problems they were fleeing.

You have got to be kidding. SF, and California generally, has had systemic problems that have virtually nothing to do with the recent tech boom.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] »

ganstyles wrote: post #76
systemvoltage wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not intentionally. I corrected the post before you posted.

Arguably the larger problem is that you (general "you" as in people like you) think this could even be a thing, like you've just completely bought into your biases and didn't do any sort of research on the topic. Your original assertion that robbery under $1000 (or any robbery, really) becoming defacto uncriminalized is so beyond the pale I'm not sure how _anyone_ wouldn't just automatically think they were being mis…

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by listenallyall »

birken wrote: post #72
CryptoPunk wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, San Francisco is lagging cities in Texas in providing social services, which is why its homelesssness/street-disorder/drug-abuse problem is so much worse. There is a point at which you have to realize/admit that your ideological narrative, and the public sector interests who popularize it, are wrong. The left coast cities, from San Fran to Vancouver, have prioritized decriminalization of drugs, social services,…

SF is over 5x denser than Dallas, which is the densest major city in Texas. The problem with homelessness is people can't afford to live in homes. It is a lot easier to avoid homelessness when you have essentially endless space to build housing.

If you and fellow San Franciscans were willing to think in 3 dimensions, you'd realize you've got essentially endless space as well.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by lazzlazzlazz »

taylorlapeyre wrote: post #41

I may as well represent a different perspective here. I am not leaving San Francisco. It's beautiful here. I'm excited to see it get weirder. I will always choose to live somewhere that is exciting over somewhere that will be the same forever. Everything about San Francisco has always been "temporary." This city is boom/bust, constantly changing. It's interesting, having a front-row seat to the ways that people and c…

One of the most strangely written cope pieces I've seen pro-SF so far. San Francisco has never been less exciting.

Sure, it'll remain the Enterprise SaaS capital of the world for a while, but all the most exciting and interesting people have higher expectations than never-ending battles with NIMBYs and deranged city councils.

It's been feeling like time for a change for years now. I'm glad to see it happening.

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