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WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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post #12

Not long ago I stumbled upon this modern WordStar clone called WordTsar http://wordtsar.ca/

Ah, thanks for reminding me about WordTsar. I downloaded the alpha version (0.1.74.67) in 2018, briefly tried it out and forgot about it. I see from the your link that the version I have isn't even on the website it's so old, the current being 0.3-136. I'll try it out in a moment.

The alternative WordStar that I had (and is still) running on my PC under Windows before I saw WordTsar in 2018 runs under vDos, info here (it seems that now this is only useful if you have an old version of Windows (I'm still using Win 7). Still, it may be useful if you have an old machine hanging around:

http://www.wwwriters.com/ws6-win7-vdos.pdf

https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdos/

There is also this link which may be useful:

http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1

Here's a commercial site that I've not seen until now. It looks like you have to pay for this version here but the site seems to have some good info and a few links that may be useful:

http://www.wordstar.org/

Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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For writters missing WordStar:

- jstar+markdown. Good, but it needs a browser and CSS is tricky.

- jstar+groff+mom+ispell,entr+make for watching the file and running "make" on detecting any change. Then, a PDF viewer for the result. XDF (motif) is blazing fast.

You can just use a crappy netbook to write, or even a machine from 1997 just fine.

Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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What I liked about WordStar was how it became the standard key layout on DOS for text editors. Software like QEdit, Turbo Pascal, Turbo C++ supported WordStar shortcuts (mainly Ctrl+K+xx pairs). You could easily start a new editor and get productive immediately if you already knew the shortcuts. I think Delphi today still supports WordStar keyboard layout.

Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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post #49

I am a big fan of Robert J. Sawyer. He is like Michael Crichton, except tech things go good instead of bad. On the topic of word processors: The famed New Yorker writer John McPhee only writes with Kedit, which I had never even heard of until he spoke of it a lot in his book on writing. I seem to recall a story of him needing to pin down the orginal creator at some point, well after the creator had abandoned the proj…

I think KEDIT was simply the DOS port of XEDIT, IBM's standard text editor on mainframes.

I think you are right. I think he used the line filter features to drill down to specific parts of a book he was working on.

It sounds very cool, but I wouldn't want to be bound to a mainly abandoned text editor if I were one of the most celebrated non-fiction writers. Although maybe it is his secret sauce?

Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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That's funny. I still have WordStar living in a Dosbox under Linux. The same Dosbox runs MSDOG-6.22, along with some other programs that I like to fire up to relive the good old days. Did you know that these key bindings were also used in Borland Turbo Pascal and others? Made it so easy to edit text. Those were the days.

Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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If curious, past threads:

WordStar: A Writer’s Word Processor - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20898950 - Sept 2019 (1 comment)

WordTsar – A Wordstar clone - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17549189 - July 2018 (85 comments, including "My dad, Seymour Rubinstein, created WordStar." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17557412)

WordStar: A writer’s word processor - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13899238 - March 2017 (1 comment)

WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13850693 - March 2017 (106 comments)

What ever happened to Wordstar? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12114185 - July 2016 (169 comments)

WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8272952 - Sept 2014 (5 comments)

George R.R. Martin Writes Everything In WordStar 4.0 On A DOS Machine - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7744952 - May 2014 (33 comments)

A Song of DOS and WordStar - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7732320 - May 2014 (13 comments)

Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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post #54

What I liked about WordStar was how it became the standard key layout on DOS for text editors. Software like QEdit, Turbo Pascal, Turbo C++ supported WordStar shortcuts (mainly Ctrl+K+xx pairs). You could easily start a new editor and get productive immediately if you already knew the shortcuts. I think Delphi today still supports WordStar keyboard layout.

That's why I've been using Joe's Own Editor since I first installed Slackware in the 90s. I learnt the Wordstar keybindings via Turbo Pascal (used WordPerfect for word processing).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Own_Editor

Re: WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)

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Jim Fox was a key programmer for WordStar. He never got much credit. I guess because he was just an employee. Jim thought, and talked about WordStar up until his death a few years ago on the streets of San Rafael. I’m posting this because he would want it. Jim was so proud of his contributions to WordStar, and told anyone who was within speaking distance. Jim was pretty happy guy, but couldn’t find work, and wasn’t n…

Your rambling is very much appreciated. I'm terribly sorry to hear about Jim Fox, it is often those who are the real knowledge behind development that get lost or left behind for a multitude of reasons, which, more often than not, are problems or a fallout with financial backers, entrepreneurs or it's the work of ruthless competitors. Unfortunately, this happens not only in programming and IT but in every endeavor imaginable. Other names in the IT game that immediately come to mind that fit this description are Gary Kildall, Phil Katz and Aaron Swartz; they all deserved a much better run.

I mentioned here in another post that I used to use WordStar to write/edit assembly (ASM) as well as high-level languages source files and the illustration I've used is an excerpt from the BIOS of my Godbout CompuPro 816 S-100 8085/8086 dual boot computer. You mentioned Jim Fox for a very good reason and I similarly do so for Bill Godbout who died tragically in the Camp fire in November 2018. You'll be aware of the fire but some who are not in CA may not be:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/25/camp-fire-d...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Godbout

http://vcfed.org/wp/2018/11/13/r-i-p-bill-godbout-79/

Bill Godbout may not have remembered me but I certainly remember him. I met him in Anaheim at a computer conference and I talked with him for ages about CompuPro and his S-100 boards—I even recall a three-way conversation with him when someone inquired about the reliability of his memory boards. The conversation revolved around a then common concern about the potential for new high speed RAM with a clock speed of 20MHz [wow!] in that stray random alpha particles may cause memory errors and thus we should always employ parity checking to avoid the problems. In fact, it was Bill who actually raised the matter.

He was a very pleasant and helpful guy and I'm so pleased to have met him. To think he died in a fire—in one of the most horrible ways imaginable—is hard to contemplate. It is especially hard and upsetting when the person who has died is not just another statistic but someone one can actually put a face to.

Re Jim Fox again, I recall another conversation not with Rubinstein but with a local WordStar agent around the time of the release of WordStar 2000 but mainly about the development of version 7 and earlier (as that's where my interests were). He told me much about it and I'm now racking my brain to remember what he said. The only thing that comes to mind was that it was mainly the work of one person (this seemed a bit strange to me as I thought that MicroPro would have had many more programmers). I also seem to recall an article about the development of WordStar written by either Jerry Pournelle of Byte fame (who had a CompuPro system) or perhaps it was in InfoWorld. It's a damn nuisance I can't remember.

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