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Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by ecnerwala »

awaythro15234 wrote: post #26

I've been thinking of relocating for a while, but also feel a sort of guilt about it. I must admit that the main reason for my doing it is that I feel increasingly disillusioned with the United States, where the paths of both the "left" and the "right" seem equally disappointing. There is a deep sense of social malaise that I feel, while here, and I cannot help but attribute it to that form of neoliberalism that is s…

If those are your reasons then realistically I don't think you'll be happy with relocation to anywhere on Earth. The best you could do is to get a short term visa to a country with a different culture - enjoy the first few months, and get back before you discover the same (or a different type of) social malaise :)

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by cosmodisk »

foolmeonce wrote: post #76
ricardobayes wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany has a self-employed visa with little red tape. Much better than the point-based bs of UK.

Don't be self employed abroad as a US citizen.

Why not? If an American moves to Europe, in most countries your gig back in the states will be treated as a self employment,at least from taxman's perspective. Even within European Union the legislation around intercounty employment is such a grey area that the easiest,and often the only way, is to be self employed.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by cosmodisk »

herbst wrote: post #75
jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

European here, i have yet to see a tech job with only 50k salary. Maybe after European and US taxes are deducted, but here in switzerland you can easily earn more than in the us, especially if you consider the cost of living compared to ex. silicon valley or new york

Switzerland is a country of its own class and in most cases shouldn't and can't be compared to the rest of Europe. Yes,the salaries are higher, much higher, compared to other countries in Europe,but it's not that high either. Switzerland is very expensive. Also, because it's a high cost country,a lot of of the tech jobs seem to be on the high end of the spectrum, which means some JS+ HTML knowledge wouldn't result in employment, which may be the case in some places in the US.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by cosmodisk »

herbst wrote: post #83
vladvasiliu wrote: post #79

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While Switzerland is technically "Europe", people should bear in mind that it's in no way representative of the other countries. Salaries are much higher over there, even when compared to other "rich" countries (France, Germany, etc) Cost of living too from what I understand. In Paris, for example, 50k is a pretty common salary for a not too senior developer. Outside of Paris, you may need some experience to be able…

Agreed however we are shengen and europe too. In paris those 50k wont allow you to live in a nice central apartment. If youd only made 100k in switzerland you can find that. Its anectotal however for me and my partner we basically earn 3 and 2 times as much while cost of living is more or less only 30-50% higher than in Austria. Saying its expensive and therefore you earn more is to simple :)

Interestingly enough,just a few years ago €50k was an absurd salary in a lot of Eastern/Central European countries, however fast forward to 2021 and it's not that uncommon for those with experience. The quality of life would be absolutely incomparable having such salary in let's say Talin va Paris.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by cosmodisk »

b112 wrote: post #62
908B64B197 wrote: post #29

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> However, as our experience shows, many companies are not ready to disclose salary info to the public. Depends on the demographic you are trying to attract on the platform. I've done a little bit of tech recruiting and I can tell you this: top engineers, no matter the level, get a lot of offer. And they won't hesitate to sort by compensation (unless of course it's SpaceX). Really, there are two kinds of businesses o…

No kidding. The amount of contact I've had over the last few years, by what might be best-tagged as 'low-ballers'? Absurd. The most amusing, puerile trick goes somewhat like this: Looking for junior full stack dev. Expert at query optimization, scaling, python, etc Junior?! Add the word 'expert' once, and by no means is it a junior role. I recently had a recruiter approach me with a job description such as: "Able to…

These are the people who used to sell mobile phones in your local shopping center before, by some luck, ended up in recruitment.They have no idea that JS and Java aren't the same. They tend to call random people hoping something will stick. Sometimes, such recruiters get hired by equally delusional companies and hence the results you described.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by ronhav3 »

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

How can there still be these huge gaps in salary between Europe and the US ? You would expect US Tech giants to come in and swoop all the top local talent, thus raising overall demand.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by [deleted] »

cammikebrown wrote: post #100
danielscrubs wrote: post #68

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Please do a thorough analysis before moving abroad. Many European countries have free healthcare, childcare and education on the other hand 1500$ might not cover the rent if you want something in the middle of the city of the expensive countries! Taxes are widely different too. Some of my friends lived in US when they where fresh graduates and moved back when they started having families because it was too expensive…

$1500 barely covers rent in most US cities too. Meanwhile, median rent in Vienna is about €900, which I’m not sure can be replicated anywhere here (maybe Pittsburgh?)

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Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by dkdk8283 »

cosmodisk wrote: post #102
foolmeonce wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be self employed abroad as a US citizen.

Why not? If an American moves to Europe, in most countries your gig back in the states will be treated as a self employment,at least from taxman's perspective. Even within European Union the legislation around intercounty employment is such a grey area that the easiest,and often the only way, is to be self employed.

The US tax code will follow you until you renounce citizenship.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by addicted »

redis_mlc wrote: post #70
danielscrubs wrote: post #68

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Please do a thorough analysis before moving abroad. Many European countries have free healthcare, childcare and education on the other hand 1500$ might not cover the rent if you want something in the middle of the city of the expensive countries! Taxes are widely different too. Some of my friends lived in US when they where fresh graduates and moved back when they started having families because it was too expensive…

> Many European countries have free healthcare, I wish this socialist trope would die. I have never heard of a US programming job that didn't include staff healthcare, plus some dental and eyewear. Some US companies also include family healthcare, for some there's a fee.

How is this socialist trope?

A lot of planning involves “what happens if I lose my job”, or “my current workplace is hell, and between that and taking care of kids I can barely even start looking for another job, and I can’t afford to take a couple of months off because that would mean I need to go on the private insurance market for a few months which would be ridiculously expensive with my special needs kid”.

Even if you’re in an ideal scenario, with a cushy job that provides great employer insurance, it’s not close to being as good as having high quality healthcare irrespective of whether you have a good job, terrible job, or no job.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by RamblingCTO »

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

"It would kinda take the wind out of the idea if they had to tell you that none of these jobs pay more than $50k." That's around 41k€. What country are you from? These numbers are certainly way off for Frankfurt and other bigger German cities. We pay around 45k€ for a junior (!) developer and we're a pre-market startup and I know for a fact that this is a bit lower than the market standard.

Why is no one mentioning buying power as proper means to compare salaries? Also the health care stuff, rent, owning a car, retirement plans, all these things are widely different in cost and what you actually need. No one needs a car if you live in a city like Frankfurt for example. This all depends heavily on the country and region.

If you haven't thought of these things yet, you might think a bit about moving to a different country, because otherwise you'll be disappointed.

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