The key thing with idea is to have a fast machine - finally with a amd 5600 the speed is not annoying
Yep, can't use them because I have 4GB RAM macbook air.
Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
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Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#262The examples the author uses to make the case that Idea is getting "fatter" and "more corporate" are actually things VS Code has too: "What bothers me about JetBrains is the fact that they seem to be playing along. Judging by the talks on their recent conference, IDEA goes more elephantine, more corporate, more complex. (...) In this regard I will mention two announcements: the CodeWithMe technology and a lightweight…
I can't find an equivalent of remote development on any of the JetBrains IDEs - please could you provide a link?
I don't think it's in it yet. Those are 2 features the author says IntelliJ announced (for the future). Although the first (Code With Me) is already available.
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#263I'm having paralysis analysis with VS Code, and trying to choose which plugins to use now. Curation is key, when there tens, if not hundredths of thousands of stars for plugins seemingly doing the same thing. I have only one wish for JetBrains IDE - can we have one singular one with everything in it, not CLion for C++, and then Dart working on most, but Flutter only in some, or Java, or C#, etc.
I see Jetbrains' role first as a curator of a near flawless collection of plugins for a given purpose.
I'm not surprised the set of plugins is different for each use case. I don't need a Java IDE with CMake plugins, so I don't care if latest CMake plugin conflicts with the Maven plugin (as an example). I'm not _sure_ this is the motivation for per-language products, but I strongly suspect it is.
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point, I don't think VSCode competes with Atom.
As in VSCode never got to parity, or vice versa?
In the past five years or so I haven't bumped into anyone who would use Atom. When Atom came out, it picked up some steam, but I'd say VS Code has already won that race by far.
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#265I have had VS Code load the wrong version of a file. I’m not sure whether it’s loading an older cached version or loading a file with the same name from another folder. The first time this happened and I couldn’t resolve it, I put away VS Code for a couple of years. I tried VS Code again after forgetting all about why I deleted it. I got burned by the same problem. You can navigate right to the file you want to open,…
Never seen this happen. Maybe try to reproduce it systematically and post a bug report?
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#266I don’t really see IntelliJ and VSCode as competitors. VSCode competes with atom and other full-featured text editors (vim, emacs) ... its got great adoption amongst the newer generation of programmers that think those editors are old school and user hostile. VSCodes Java, Python, and Golang support is miles behind IntelliJ. FWIW, on my team at Microsoft where we write a lot of Go, theres a 50/50 split between Intell…
I agree. They are not competition at all.
I used to work together with someone who didn‘t catch basic errors in VueJs and Symfony projects in VSCode because (idk) somehow it can‘t do it or some plugin is missing.
On the other side there‘s me with PHPStorm and WebStorm with full project inspection support and detailed analysis about code available at a glance.
Maybe I just don‘t know how to do that in VSCode but VSCode does not feel like an IDE but rather a Notepad++ on steroids to me. Sure, you can do the job in it but that‘s not the reason I pay a lot of money to JetBrains each year.
Edit: typo
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#267Unfortunately, for a "light-weight" text editor, VS Code is very power hungry, especially if you have more than a few plugins. Yes IDEA is not much better but you get far more for your watts.
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#268VSCode won't kill IDEA, but it is a huge warning for Jetbrains They better invest A LOT MORE into solving slow startup and performance issues that are plaguing their IDEs since the beginning Time to ditch Java on the desktop, or invest in a native AOT compiler / or use GraalVM
> slow startup
Curious how often you start your IDE? For me it's at most once every few days.
But then, I use Eclipse which has amazing multi-project support so there is nearly never a need to restart to switch contexts - its just choosing a different working set ...
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#269I used IDEA once and it failed to parse or validate my Java code because it lacked the same understanding of generics as javac. So I would be developing my codebase with various red marks everywhere and no confidence in the code navigation tools such as "find all references". Seems IDEA is overrated to me. But I know webdevs have other use cases like automatic CI or whatever and not the slightest desire to be able to statically analyze code. To be fair I stopped using Java since then as I could not ever fully learn all the edge cases, and corners like generics edge cases and JMM have about 3 people in the world who actually talk about them.
FWIW Eclipse and NetBeans also broke in other places in my code base too (all related to generics), so maybe just Java developers have no idea how those weird parts of the spec surrounding generics, type inference, and capture conversion work.
I tried VS Code to analyze some Go code and it just downloaded a bunch of ghetto stuff from random people's githubs and ran their build scripts or whatever. It broke of course and I gave up as I was new to Go and didn't want to dig into "why thing here wants this version of this and that". Currently using 30 day trial of Goland, which at least works out of the box. This is after trying ctags and cscope after realizing they are basically glorified grep.
Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been using JetBrains IDEs for about a decade, after having used emacs for nearly two decades. I have never felt that JetBrains was slow, but I hear that a lot here. I'm curious what situations people are finding JetBrains' speed to be impacting usability.
Using Windows, comparing different Jetbrains products to VS Code, I personally experience for example a constant input lag in the terminal (Powershell) emulator (?) on Jetbrains IDEs.
IntelliJ user here. Both on Windows (personal) and Mac OS (work).
I never understood why people use the terminals built into their IDE. Can you explain the use case for this? Genuine question.
I do certain stuff via the command line and other stuff via the IDE. But switching between windows and just using the native tool for its own job seems the most natural to me. Is there some sort of awesome integration or something that I'm missing out on?