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Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by Aunche » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

cameronh90 wrote: post #15

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China is a hostile nation I really have no idea where this narrative comes from. Chinese government is evil, hostile, and cruel even to (some of) their own citizens. However, China as a nation are people - just like you and me. Why should we treat them as "hostile"? It makes no sense at all. This kind of crooked reasoning and blurred thinking is one of the main causes of all wars in the history of mankind.

Is anyone really of the view that most Chinese are evil? I don't think that's what calling them a hostile nation is meant to mean. The problem is that the Chinese government, who ARE hostile, take advantage of the fact that we treat most Chinese as non-hostile. Nobody knows how many Chinese students and workers in the West are essentially spies for the Chinese government, but we do know it is enough to be worried abo…

>Nobody knows how many Chinese students and workers in the West are essentially spies for the Chinese government

But we do know how many of them are contributing domestically. A growing percentage of American PHD graduates came from China and the vast majority of them are planning to stay.

https://cset.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/CSET-Trends-i...

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by yumraj » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #7

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

Yeah that sounds like a great idea. Ensure even more that no one inside of China will have access to information about human rights. And then the Chinese government can get to use propaganda against their own citizens even more effectively. There’s no way that could backfire. And there are no ethical problems with what you are suggesting either!

Please feel free to suggest alternates.

If the only alternate is status quo, then it's not working very well is it for:

1) Tibetans, Uighurs and other minorities

2) Taiwan, India, and basically any country that shares a border which China, since China has border issues with every country that it shares a border with

3) US, and Western world whose IP is being stolen everyday and is being constantly under attack from China

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by carapace » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #13

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

> China is a hostile nation I really have no idea where this narrative comes from. Chinese government is evil, hostile, and cruel even to (some of) their own citizens. However, China as a nation are people - just like you and me. Why should we treat them as "hostile"? It makes no sense at all. This kind of crooked reasoning and blurred thinking is one of the main causes of all wars in the history of mankind.

Yeah, this. Chinese culture is much older and more widespread than the CCP. The Chinatown here in San Francisco is older than the state of California. We had our first Chinese New Year Parade in 1851.

The Communists are the problem, and even then not unqualified: the CCP has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of relative poverty to economic prosperity, even as they do terrible things to Tibetans, Uighurs, and Falun Gong, among others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Chinese_New_Year...

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by yumraj » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:23 PM UTC

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #13

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

> China is a hostile nation I really have no idea where this narrative comes from. Chinese government is evil, hostile, and cruel even to (some of) their own citizens. However, China as a nation are people - just like you and me. Why should we treat them as "hostile"? It makes no sense at all. This kind of crooked reasoning and blurred thinking is one of the main causes of all wars in the history of mankind.

By that logic at WW II, Germany was also a nation of German people, so am assuming per the above definition Germany was not a hostile nation?

A nation is generally its government, CCP in the example of China and yes it is hostile against every non-China nation. Chinese are people just like every other people.

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by hntrader » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:25 PM UTC

ahelwer wrote: post #16

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

Sanctions lead to widespread suffering & even death among the civilian population. Why do you want the Chinese people to suffer or die? Sanctions are scarcely less psychotic than bombing a school or hospital. The violence is just hidden in life expectancy reduction & many other metrics instead of "N civilians' bodies ripped apart by bombs". Oh, and targeted sanctions - aren't. Entities will view any sanctions as a le…

What alternatives do you propose, and do you have the same view about the recent sanctions on the Saudis?

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by Aunche » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:26 PM UTC

bushbaba wrote: post #6

mc32 wrote: post #3

Somewhat recently a head of Microsoft was asked about forgoing access to the Chinese market if it meant protecting American interests in the face of new threats. He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. I'm not sure Apple and others who either sell product there or have large manufacturing there are as willing to forgo the 'promise market', but it looks more and more we will have to. More or…

The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.

The US has a significantly larger consumer market. A lot of people would complain if they were unable to import cheap goods from China.

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by hntrader » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:29 PM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

It's not my intention to make this political, but it's odd to me that the current administration sanctioned the Saudis over the murder of a journalist, but has little more than stern words towards China over the Uyghur situation and cyber espionage. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll eventually do something.

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by rorykoehler » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:31 PM UTC

1996 wrote: post #11

RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. US is a corporate republic. The republic that founders dreamed of has waned and frailed from generations of corporate sellout political, legal, media, and business conglomerate establishments. Shareholders will come first and will continue to do so. With 33 trillion dollars debt there is not really any other option left now other than to continue to…

> He won't. He is just the face of the same old thinking that brought us here. Just like all of his predecessors in last 40 years. And it's a good thing. Only Trump was bold enough to entertain the idea of a commercial war with China. I live in the US, but I don't want that. I want peace and freedom. China and the US are natural allies given the complementarity of the industries. Let's make peace not war.

China needs a new political system before we can talk about anyone being their allies. The CCP have made it clear they are only interested in total power.

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:32 PM UTC

carapace wrote: post #23

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China is a hostile nation I really have no idea where this narrative comes from. Chinese government is evil, hostile, and cruel even to (some of) their own citizens. However, China as a nation are people - just like you and me. Why should we treat them as "hostile"? It makes no sense at all. This kind of crooked reasoning and blurred thinking is one of the main causes of all wars in the history of mankind.

Yeah, this. Chinese culture is much older and more widespread than the CCP. The Chinatown here in San Francisco is older than the state of California. We had our first Chinese New Year Parade in 1851. The Communists are the problem, and even then not unqualified: the CCP has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of relative poverty to economic prosperity, even as they do terrible things to Tibetans, Uighurs, and…

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Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by sudosysgen » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:35 PM UTC

hntrader wrote: post #27

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

It's not my intention to make this political, but it's odd to me that the current administration sanctioned the Saudis over the murder of a journalist, but has little more than stern words towards China over the Uyghur situation and cyber espionage. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll eventually do something.

There are no sanctions on Saudi Arabia, only on some minor officials.