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Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by GrayShade »

The_rationalist wrote: post #37

Critique of the post: The belief that LSP are implemented in the compiler is mostly plain wrong. They might or might not be maintained by the same team as the language team but are almost always a separate library that interface through the compiler through APIs. Yes compiler have became much more queryable. Intellij has had a technology similar to LSP (and much more complete) a decade before it's "invention" and do…

> Actually intellij IDEs are quite fast nowadays and it improve regularly.

I want what you're having.

I've been actually trying DataGrip these past weeks and even though I only used it lightly and I'm on a pretty decent computer, it's terribly sluggish. Is there a magic option to make it run faster?

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by brightball »

leetcrew wrote: post #69
mythz wrote: post #30

I used to think VS Code was going to be a threat to JetBrains IDEs considering how fast its iterative development was (thanks in large part to the productivity of JS + Web renderer) but its never seems to quite be able to reach the feature-set, polish & intelligence of JetBrains IDEs. Every IDE function appears to be better implemented in JetBrains, whether it's Code Analysis, Refactoring, Navigation, Running/Debuggi…

I think that sounds about right. I see vs code as a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type of tool. if I want to try something in a new language or just edit some text real quick (I find vs code has better than average support for weird text encodings) but keep a familiar ui, I go with vs code. if I'm going to be doing some more in-depth work, I'll spend the time to learn a purpose-built tool. I mostly write c++ for…

This sums it up for me. For languages with a dedicated Jetbrains IDE (Java, Ruby, Python, etc) Jetbrains will be better experience hands down.

For everything that doesn’t have the premium experience, I find that just using plugins isn’t as effective.

For example, the experience of using IDEA with the Elixir plugin hasn’t been great despite a lot of development. It seems like it constantly loses the proper SDK if I jump between projects.

The VS Code experience has been a lot better for Elixir though. Just works. The moment Jetbrains releases a dedicated Elixir IDE I’d jump for it though.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by matwood »

meddlepal wrote: post #25
matwood wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I have used IntelliJ for Java for as long as I can remember and can't imagine using anything else. For JS and Go I use VSCode. I wonder if it's just what I started with and am used to. I've tried to use Intellij a couple of times for Go, but end up back on VSCode.

I dont know how you’re productive with VS Code and Go... I watch my coworkers live code with it sometimes and they are struggling. The lang server crashes constantly and stuff like autoimports or code complete barely works. I sometimes want to scream while watching them struggle.

I've read about those issues, and used to get them occasionally, but haven't really had them in a long time. Maybe my projects aren't large enough to cause any issues?

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by cyral »

azeirah wrote: post #66
mythz wrote: post #30

I used to think VS Code was going to be a threat to JetBrains IDEs considering how fast its iterative development was (thanks in large part to the productivity of JS + Web renderer) but its never seems to quite be able to reach the feature-set, polish & intelligence of JetBrains IDEs. Every IDE function appears to be better implemented in JetBrains, whether it's Code Analysis, Refactoring, Navigation, Running/Debuggi…

Part of it feels like it comes from a different development philosophy. Vscode is a "text editor" or a "code editor". Usually this means that it's fairly lightweight, supports every language under the sun, is highly configurable and extensible, but doesn't have a lot of very in-depth features, and also partially relies on third-party extensions for deeper functionality. Jetbrains on the other hand works on IDEs built…

One thing to note is that you can use IntelliJ and install the official plugins for each language. For example you can bring the WebStorm functionality to IntelliJ, or install the database plugin to get an embedded Datagrip window. (Which is really neat because you can then get SQL syntax highlighting and such based on your actual DB)

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by jayjader »

azeirah wrote: post #66
mythz wrote: post #30

I used to think VS Code was going to be a threat to JetBrains IDEs considering how fast its iterative development was (thanks in large part to the productivity of JS + Web renderer) but its never seems to quite be able to reach the feature-set, polish & intelligence of JetBrains IDEs. Every IDE function appears to be better implemented in JetBrains, whether it's Code Analysis, Refactoring, Navigation, Running/Debuggi…

Part of it feels like it comes from a different development philosophy. Vscode is a "text editor" or a "code editor". Usually this means that it's fairly lightweight, supports every language under the sun, is highly configurable and extensible, but doesn't have a lot of very in-depth features, and also partially relies on third-party extensions for deeper functionality. Jetbrains on the other hand works on IDEs built…

I wonder if you have had the chance to use a Jetbrains IDE with a professional license. Doing so gives you access to more or less the content of all the other "flavors" as plugins (it's basically all IntelliJ underneath).

For example, I've been using PyCharm for both our python backend _and_ our React + Typescript frontend, all in the same project window, with the same features regarding syntax, linting, refactoring, tests, debugging, etc.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by herdcall »

mythz wrote: post #30

I used to think VS Code was going to be a threat to JetBrains IDEs considering how fast its iterative development was (thanks in large part to the productivity of JS + Web renderer) but its never seems to quite be able to reach the feature-set, polish & intelligence of JetBrains IDEs. Every IDE function appears to be better implemented in JetBrains, whether it's Code Analysis, Refactoring, Navigation, Running/Debuggi…

Not sure how many devs code in a single language these days. I go back/forth between Go, Dart, and C++ every day, so using one IDE like VSCode (with the familiar features from extensions to shortcuts to snippets) is a big help.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by cutler »

brightball wrote: post #82
leetcrew wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that sounds about right. I see vs code as a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type of tool. if I want to try something in a new language or just edit some text real quick (I find vs code has better than average support for weird text encodings) but keep a familiar ui, I go with vs code. if I'm going to be doing some more in-depth work, I'll spend the time to learn a purpose-built tool. I mostly write c++ for…

This sums it up for me. For languages with a dedicated Jetbrains IDE (Java, Ruby, Python, etc) Jetbrains will be better experience hands down. For everything that doesn’t have the premium experience, I find that just using plugins isn’t as effective. For example, the experience of using IDEA with the Elixir plugin hasn’t been great despite a lot of development. It seems like it constantly loses the proper SDK if I ju…

Why the assumption that a separate editor needs to be released? IntelliJ with language plugins is better.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by vinger »

cyral wrote: post #84
azeirah wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of it feels like it comes from a different development philosophy. Vscode is a "text editor" or a "code editor". Usually this means that it's fairly lightweight, supports every language under the sun, is highly configurable and extensible, but doesn't have a lot of very in-depth features, and also partially relies on third-party extensions for deeper functionality. Jetbrains on the other hand works on IDEs built…

One thing to note is that you can use IntelliJ and install the official plugins for each language. For example you can bring the WebStorm functionality to IntelliJ, or install the database plugin to get an embedded Datagrip window. (Which is really neat because you can then get SQL syntax highlighting and such based on your actual DB)

How does the open source IDEA plus php plugin experience compare to phpstorm?
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