Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by regexrex » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:03 PM UTC

Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code
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Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by matsemann » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:24 PM UTC

Most of this post is just speculation like "I seriously doubt it will work well in an average cafe though" without much substance. Either test it or report on it, or at least discuss its shortcomings based on some technical merits. And frankly I don't care how well it works on "spotty café wifi". If the wifi sucks I wouldn't sit there and work anyway.

As for the language server protocol, nothing stops IDEA from doing the same. But while technically cool, it really doesn't matter as long as my programming language of choice works. I don't care how it works. In my anecdotal example, the community made Elm plugin for IDEA was even for a long time miles ahead of the one for VSC.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by voidfunc » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

I don’t really see IntelliJ and VSCode as competitors. VSCode competes with atom and other full-featured text editors (vim, emacs) ... its got great adoption amongst the newer generation of programmers that think those editors are old school and user hostile.

VSCodes Java, Python, and Golang support is miles behind IntelliJ.

FWIW, on my team at Microsoft where we write a lot of Go, theres a 50/50 split between IntelliJ/GoLand devs and VS Code devs and more people have switched to IntelliJ from VS Code than vice versa.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by melling » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:28 PM UTC

I think JetBrains is much better than VScode for development.

However, for me VScode is always open, and I frequently open files with VScode from the terminal

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Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by The_rationalist » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

HN deserve better content than this, while the topic is interesting there are too much errors, unadjusted logical quantifiers and omissions to make this biased writing worth a read.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by hashkb » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

LSP is a huge deal and ought to allow all kinds of new editing tools to empower users with the kind of things we used to get scoffed at by Visual Studio users for living without. Vim is now as "full featured" as VSC and I have some bet winnings to collect.

Edit: corrected autocorrect

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by superdimwit » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

matsemann wrote: post #2

Most of this post is just speculation like " I seriously doubt it will work well in an average cafe though " without much substance. Either test it or report on it, or at least discuss its shortcomings based on some technical merits. And frankly I don't care how well it works on "spotty café wifi". If the wifi sucks I wouldn't sit there and work anyway. As for the language server protocol, nothing stops IDEA from doi…

Exactly, and I don't see how it would work any less well in a to café than VScode remote SSH.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by dmitryminkovsky » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

voidfunc wrote: post #3

I don’t really see IntelliJ and VSCode as competitors. VSCode competes with atom and other full-featured text editors (vim, emacs) ... its got great adoption amongst the newer generation of programmers that think those editors are old school and user hostile. VSCodes Java, Python, and Golang support is miles behind IntelliJ. FWIW, on my team at Microsoft where we write a lot of Go, theres a 50/50 split between Intell…

I haven’t tried the Java integration but based on using VSCode for TypeScript I could imagine feature parity. VSCode is so good that it makes me concerned Microsoft is just using it to eat at JetBrains until they up and start charging for it in the future. Not sure how else to see it.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by charrondev » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

matsemann wrote: post #2

Most of this post is just speculation like " I seriously doubt it will work well in an average cafe though " without much substance. Either test it or report on it, or at least discuss its shortcomings based on some technical merits. And frankly I don't care how well it works on "spotty café wifi". If the wifi sucks I wouldn't sit there and work anyway. As for the language server protocol, nothing stops IDEA from doi…

One of the things that baffles me is the rust-Lang support.

Rust-lang has an official dual-licensed MIT/Apache language server protocol implementation (RLS) under active development. In my view it’s currently a better experience than the custom IntelliJ one.

Instead of collaborating though I see IntelliJ continuing on the path of their custom implementation. Every week RLS gives an update on their progress and so does IntelliJ on their rust plugin, but it just seems like so much duplicates effort.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by matwood » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

voidfunc wrote: post #3

I don’t really see IntelliJ and VSCode as competitors. VSCode competes with atom and other full-featured text editors (vim, emacs) ... its got great adoption amongst the newer generation of programmers that think those editors are old school and user hostile. VSCodes Java, Python, and Golang support is miles behind IntelliJ. FWIW, on my team at Microsoft where we write a lot of Go, theres a 50/50 split between Intell…

Interesting. I have used IntelliJ for Java for as long as I can remember and can't imagine using anything else. For JS and Go I use VSCode. I wonder if it's just what I started with and am used to. I've tried to use Intellij a couple of times for Go, but end up back on VSCode.