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Re: Zero Data App

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Post by pdimitar »

Such sites are a distraction from the real problem that the non-tech users have:

They want the app to work forever, even if the underlying cloud storage service gets killed.

Hence, being able to transparently transfer your data to another underlying storage service without the app changing at all is what most normal people want.

They want a box saying "This app's storage expires on 20th of April. Please choose where you want to transfer your data without disruption of service (and where it will be hosted from now on): Dropbox, Google Cloud, OneDrive, pDrive, Mega, ..."

I've spoken with a lot of regular folks. They don't care about privacy or self-hosting or decentralization at all. They never will. To them technology is a tool with which they make their lives easier. We should take a page from them. :)

(Although to make it 100% clear, I do care about privacy and anonymity very much; but it shouldn't be idolized and put on a pedestal, otherwise people like me will be made irrelevant with time -- one could argue this has already happened).

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TL;DR: Sites strictly advocating for some tech principles lost most of my vote a while ago. We the techies get too distracted by our own shinies and must make a come-back to pragmatism and serving the regular people. It's OK to code stuff as hobbies but promoting them as universal values gets a "nope" from me. And that comes from a guy who wants to retire at his own house with 3 internet connections, and work on Tor-on-steroids and automatic replication of encrypted data until he dies.

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by satyrnein »

Pre cloud, this was just apps and local files. Just because an app stored a file on your hard drive didn't mean you could do anything useful with it outside that app, if it was a proprietary format. I'm not sure the typical user misses dealing with files.

Re: Zero Data App

#23

Post by jonplackett »

Where actually is the data being stored then? With another provider? On your device?

Or is the second diagram just about being allowed to access your data whenever/however you like. Eg if SocialNetwork just made an API that let you access 100% of any data they have relevant to you?

Re: Zero Data App

#24

Post by NavinF »

guerrilla wrote: post #16
NavinF wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>My government could authenticate that I am indeed from country A, and my pod's data would be signed by them This is gonna happen sooner or later, but I really don't like it. Once most users have a cryptographically signed national ID on their PC, a lot more websites will require you to provide it. Sites like Netflix that region lock media will force you to show your ID just to sign up Won't be long before companies…

> Sites like Netflix that region lock media will force you to show your ID just to sign up I bet that'll come with an uptick of piracy then.

Won't stop massive copyright holders like Disney from forcing their licensees to region lock. Their actions have shown that they don't give a damn if their policies encourage piracy

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by sradman »

0data appears to be a curated collection of five best-in-class libraries/frameworks that enable building SPA apps with user controlled data, rather than Big Tech controlled platforms and services.

1. Autonomous Data

2. remoteStorage

3. Solid Project

4. Unhosted

5. Fission

[1] https://noeldemartin.github.io/autonomous-data/introduction....

[2] https://remotestorage.io/

[3] https://solidproject.org/

[4] https://unhosted.org/

[5] https://fission.codes/

Re: Zero Data App

#26

Post by bluesign »

vasco wrote: post #13
bluesign wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This cannot work without having an unique ID identifying you. Netflix cannot sign the content you watched.

I have a unique ID to netflix, I can be authenticated through that because I know my netflix credentials. They do not need to know my "data pod" ID for this - the server just needs to reply to the data pod that queried it with the right credentials. Depending on "data pod" implementation you could also have the "netflix.com" managed fields only be editable by a call from "netflix.com" API, which I then decide to appr…

I am little confused.

It is write-only from vendor side seems like vendor will sign something for authenticity. Something like token signature.

So it has to have my "pod ID", otherwise I can replay this data, with another "pod ID".

Ofc netflix or your pod, can rotate this ID, but that also requires netflix etc to constantly sign new IDs.

Re: Zero Data App

#27

Post by k__ »

I saw remoteStorage years ago and had the impression the idea was nice, but without a bunch of easy to set up hosting providers this won't work.

Re: Zero Data App

#28

Post by k__ »

jonplackett wrote: post #23

Where actually is the data being stored then? With another provider? On your device? Or is the second diagram just about being allowed to access your data whenever/however you like. Eg if SocialNetwork just made an API that let you access 100% of any data they have relevant to you?

I think, currently the data is self-hosted.

Re: Zero Data App

#29

Post by haggy »

skeeks wrote: post #15

The name is imho inappropriate chosen. Under zero data , I understand that the app needs no data at all.

What useful software exists which works on no data at all? Even a calculator requires data
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