Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
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Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#2Some may keep on saying: "Facebook Inc. is a private platform and they can remove, suspend or ban any user or post on their platform whenever they want." - A yet to be banned / shadowbanned user.
See how this is now starting to not make any sense? How many more 'mistakes' will Facebook make for them to realise that them and the rest of Big Tech is the actual problem?
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#3Some may keep on saying: "Facebook Inc. is a private platform and they can remove, suspend or ban any user or post on their platform whenever they want." - A yet to be banned / shadowbanned user. See how this is now starting to not make any sense? How many more 'mistakes' will Facebook make for them to realise that them and the rest of Big Tech is the actual problem?
What doesn’t make sense?
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#4The headline is a bit sensationalist given the fact that he was never fully prevented from posting, just to a page (ie he wasn’t banned) and they relatively quickly reversed the restriction which they claim to have been a mistake.
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#5It's strange to me how any censorship from Facebook is savaged on this site but I rarely see censorship on HackerNews criticized. This website habitually shadowbans people and controversial comments are hidden as if they never existed. The mods here explicitly warn people against rocking the boat, all in the name of "preserving what this site is for". The disparity is very odd to me. In many ways it seems like people are totally fine with censorship, until someone they don't like or agree with is doing the censorship. At the very least Facebook will tell you they are censoring you. Shadowbanning, a prevalent practice on HN, I think is even worse and more abusive, yet it seems the majority of users here don't have an issue with this. Maybe I'm missing something, but from my perspective the hypocrisy is laughable.
Edit: I think people are missing the point. I don't particularly disagree with any of the replies. HN's commentary is pretty superb in part due to censorship and I agree that without a big stick being used open communities turn to trash. My question is though, why are people defending the mods here but when FB tries to do the same thing, we act like FB is some cyber Gestapo out to dominate speech on the web. It boils down to HN good, FB bad; it's shallow and hypocritical. And I maintain that shadowbanning is an abusive practice. If a user's behavior is such that the user can no longer participate, the user ought to know this. Shadowbanning is like internet gaslamping. You are telling the user one thing while the reality of the situation is different. Websites should not be playing these mind games with their users.
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#6Some may keep on saying: "Facebook Inc. is a private platform and they can remove, suspend or ban any user or post on their platform whenever they want." - A yet to be banned / shadowbanned user. See how this is now starting to not make any sense? How many more 'mistakes' will Facebook make for them to realise that them and the rest of Big Tech is the actual problem?
The position still seems consistent to me, because I consider not censoring people to be as significant a choice as censoring them.
So to me, inaction on Facebook's part isn't a non-choice; it's a bad choice.
The thing we probably both agree with is that nobody should trust Facebook to make good decisions.
Where we part is that I think Facebook already made mistakes by hosting inflammatory garbage. I'm glad they're under public pressure to fix those mistakes.
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#7It's strange to me how any censorship from Facebook is savaged on this site but I rarely see censorship on HackerNews criticized. This website habitually shadowbans people and controversial comments are hidden as if they never existed. The mods here explicitly warn people against rocking the boat, all in the name of "preserving what this site is for". The disparity is very odd to me. In many ways it seems like people…
Maybe you've never had to deal with determined trolls?
I won't say HN is perfect and there are no false positives, but they are doing pretty well considering being out numbered a thousand to one. Most of the time I investigate a dead or banned individual, I think, yep makes sense. While it's felt a bit heavy-handed at times, I haven't found a place with better discussion on average.
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#8It's strange to me how any censorship from Facebook is savaged on this site but I rarely see censorship on HackerNews criticized. This website habitually shadowbans people and controversial comments are hidden as if they never existed. The mods here explicitly warn people against rocking the boat, all in the name of "preserving what this site is for". The disparity is very odd to me. In many ways it seems like people…
Do people really think HN would be a better community without strict moderation?
Within a year HN would fill up with trolls, commercial spammers, bigots, and culture warriors of all stripes.
As a result HN would lose a large portion of its industry veterans and nerdy academics.
Within two years, the site would be like every other garbage heap on the internet.
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#9It's strange to me how any censorship from Facebook is savaged on this site but I rarely see censorship on HackerNews criticized. This website habitually shadowbans people and controversial comments are hidden as if they never existed. The mods here explicitly warn people against rocking the boat, all in the name of "preserving what this site is for". The disparity is very odd to me. In many ways it seems like people…
> This website habitually shadowbans people and controversial comments are hidden as if they never existed.
First off, enable showdead to see the shadowbanned users. I vouch for their posts sometimes, because sometimes they're good posts. But a great deal of them aren't really here to be a part of the conversation. It's not censorship, it's curation, and I think HN is better for it. Want trolls? Hit up 4chan or something.
Re: Facebook Locks Out Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
#10It's strange to me how any censorship from Facebook is savaged on this site but I rarely see censorship on HackerNews criticized. This website habitually shadowbans people and controversial comments are hidden as if they never existed. The mods here explicitly warn people against rocking the boat, all in the name of "preserving what this site is for". The disparity is very odd to me. In many ways it seems like people…
> This website habitually shadowbans people and controversial comments are hidden as if they never existed. First off, enable showdead to see the shadowbanned users. I vouch for their posts sometimes, because sometimes they're good posts. But a great deal of them aren't really here to be a part of the conversation. It's not censorship, it's curation, and I think HN is better for it. Want trolls? Hit up 4chan or somet…
I didn't realize that was an option - thanks for the hint.