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"World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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---------------------------------------------------------------- Dear battery technology claimant, Thank you for your submission of proposed new revolutionary battery technology. Your new technology claims to be superior to existing lithium-ion technology is is just around the corner from taking over the world. Unfortunately your technology will likely fail, because: [ ] it is impractical to manufacture at scale. [x]…

Yet another example of a glib response ignoring the actual facts in the article and ironic to boot given that lithium-ion suffers from several of the flaws listed. The funny thing is, none of the claims you make are correct and you miss the point where this tech is specifically designed to cover areas where Li-ion fails (like high temp and places where having a battery explode into flaming debris is a bad thing.)

The actual facts are that they're not mass produced and commercially available, just like all the other battery advancements that pop up a few times a year.

Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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---------------------------------------------------------------- Dear battery technology claimant, Thank you for your submission of proposed new revolutionary battery technology. Your new technology claims to be superior to existing lithium-ion technology is is just around the corner from taking over the world. Unfortunately your technology will likely fail, because: [ ] it is impractical to manufacture at scale. [x]…

Yet another example of a glib response ignoring the actual facts in the article and ironic to boot given that lithium-ion suffers from several of the flaws listed. The funny thing is, none of the claims you make are correct and you miss the point where this tech is specifically designed to cover areas where Li-ion fails (like high temp and places where having a battery explode into flaming debris is a bad thing.)

TwoBit's response is perfect because I've been hearing of battery breakthroughs on a regular basis for over 30 years. I don't even read them anymore. I'll catch up when they do actually do something notable.

Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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It's not practical. Just like how you won't measure the distance between two cities in metres.

How is measuring distance between cities in metres impractical? That's exactly how sane part of the world measures it. Though kilo-, giga- and other prefixes for units may be used when needed (when rounding is acceptable for the purpose of reducing the number to reduce the overall length of words needed to describe the measure).

I'm a part of the sane part of the world :) But it's more practical because if you know the Wh of a battery and you know the wattage of a power brick (simply V*I), you can quickly calculate the number of hours it will take to charge the battery from 0 to 100. Knowing the number of seconds isn't very useful to humans because battery charging is usually in the order of hours. Of course, machines should always use Joules internally.

Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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also, dear technology journalist: [x] your description uses milliamp hours and milliamps per hour interchangeably [x] milliamp hours is a useless metric when we don't know how big/heavy said battery is [x] milliamp hours is a useless metric when we don't know the battery's voltage

At least it doesn't use milliamp hours per hour as a unit. I'm pretty sure one of the cars actually does that with KW (Kwh/hr).

That seems like a reasonable unit to use when measuring charge rate though…

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Humour is rarely appreciated here, but I found this funny and on point. Battery technology announcements are always extremely over hyped. Mostly by media and PR departments rather than actual scientific or domain specific outlets. Advancements happen, but even if they are technically and commercially viable, it takes years until anything becomes actually useful.

While the comment is funny, it is misplaced on an article that is refreshingly hype-free.

The title is full of hype.

Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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---------------------------------------------------------------- Dear battery technology claimant, Thank you for your submission of proposed new revolutionary battery technology. Your new technology claims to be superior to existing lithium-ion technology is is just around the corner from taking over the world. Unfortunately your technology will likely fail, because: [ ] it is impractical to manufacture at scale. [x]…

Is that hosted somewhere, or did you make it up just for this comment?

It seems inspired by this classic:

https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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Yet another example of a glib response ignoring the actual facts in the article and ironic to boot given that lithium-ion suffers from several of the flaws listed. The funny thing is, none of the claims you make are correct and you miss the point where this tech is specifically designed to cover areas where Li-ion fails (like high temp and places where having a battery explode into flaming debris is a bad thing.)

Humour is rarely appreciated here, but I found this funny and on point. Battery technology announcements are always extremely over hyped. Mostly by media and PR departments rather than actual scientific or domain specific outlets. Advancements happen, but even if they are technically and commercially viable, it takes years until anything becomes actually useful.

Humor is totally appreciated here; I got more than 80 upvotes for a silly comment yesterday.

Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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Humour is rarely appreciated here, but I found this funny and on point. Battery technology announcements are always extremely over hyped. Mostly by media and PR departments rather than actual scientific or domain specific outlets. Advancements happen, but even if they are technically and commercially viable, it takes years until anything becomes actually useful.

Battery technology announcements are always extremely over hyped. Right, except this announcement specifically isn't. It's a short description of a new technology with targeted use-cases, which explicitly points out the ways in which it's not ready to displace existing technologies. You are correct that there is often unjustified hype around battery technology in general. But this article is absolutely not that.

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Re: "World's highest-capacity" solid-state battery developed in Japan

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At least it doesn't use milliamp hours per hour as a unit. I'm pretty sure one of the cars actually does that with KW (Kwh/hr).

That seems like a reasonable unit to use when measuring charge rate though…

A kilowatt-hour is the total amount of energy transferred over the course of an hour at a rate of one kilowatt, so "kilowatt-hours per hour" is just "kilowatts".

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Linus Tech Tips looked at a fuel cell USB supply a few years ago. It sucked horribly, and barely produced any power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-yLqwGS2dA Besides that, we can have 10 hours from a battery quite easily right now. If you need more, there are external batteries powerful enough to power a laptop over USB-PD. And after that you just charge it from any power outlet. It's a known technology, very matu…

That reminds me of mikeselectricstuff's teardown of a Hydrogen fuel cell power bank: https://youtu.be/y48wCuC3KcA An extremely well engineered piece of technology that may have been selling at a loss at $150. Only 26wh at up to 500ma, can't recharge it at home, have to drive to specific stores to pay £6 to swap the cartridge. Just completely impractical.

The one LTT was looking at did have a charger, which seems to have cost somewhere around $420.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vidpQ8jHlI

But now you're paying a good chunk of cash... for what exactly? The system is bigger than a battery, a lot more expensive, a lot harder to charge, much less powerful, and a lot more complex and delicate.

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