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Blockchain study of 43 solutions finds 0.00% success rate

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> Do you have any examples of something which solves a real problem better than mature, scalable technologies? The same could be said of the Internet when it was first invented. It was far from mature and took two decades, but it revolutionised the delivery of information. Cryptocurrency is revolutionising delivery of cash. It will take a while to work out the development of it, but we didn't have a ready made plan f…

> The same could be said of the Internet when it was first invented. It was far from mature and took two decades, but it revolutionised the delivery of information. This is a standard talking point but it's not an accurate comparison because it ignores the barriers to adoption related to computing in general. Internet adoption in the very early years was constrained by the need to use expensive computers and network…

> Maybe we could write that off as an early failure except that nobody has come up with a successor

It’s possible that this is actually because Bitcoin.

The effect it has had of making early owners rich despite not solving other problems, has made this the goal of most new crypto schemes.

Re: Blockchain study of 43 solutions finds 0.00% success rate

#42

I don’t claim to have any insight whatsoever, but I can’t help but think about all those decades old (now hilarious) articles about how the internet is a buzz word and hasn’t really lived up to its hype.

Could you link one of these? Would love to relive the sentiment.

There is a distinction: the birth of the Internet saw many seriously useful improvements for its users - instant information, infinite retail stores, unlimited selections, connecting to others effortlessly, and so on. As far as I’ve seen, there isn’t any companies I can think of achieving similar improvements because of the blockchain other than speculation with cryptocurrencies.

I try to be very open minded and search for contrarian opportunities, but I really don’t see where those are here. I hear “decentralized” and “trustless”, but these are cultural terms like “privacy” that matter only when people want them to matter. If the culture doesn’t value “decentralized”, then the technology isn’t very useful. By contrast, all the skepticism in the world couldn’t stop the fact that Amazon.com was a massive improvement.

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If you had looked into the space with even just a small amount of depth, you’d find there are numerous applications. Decentralized finance, games, art, cdn networks, music distribution, video streaming alternatives. Some of them are promising and would address many issues we face; like the Audius project which aims to compete with Spotify and SoundCloud, but actually paying artists for their work. I think it’s fair t…

Audius sounds like it's using blockchain for coins, which is exactly what GP said: it only works for coins. Please provide one other example of a functioning app or service that uses blockchain to do something it can't do just as well without blockchain.

Last time I looked into Audius (6-12 months ago), my impression was that they fell into the solution in search of a problem camp of blockchain developers. Good on them for getting some users, but the burden of programming a blockchain and competing against Spotify is very high. Nonetheless they do have users.

A good write-up of how they are missing the mark from the music end is here: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/20905384/audius-blockchai...

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If you had looked into the space with even just a small amount of depth, you’d find there are numerous applications. Decentralized finance, games, art, cdn networks, music distribution, video streaming alternatives. Some of them are promising and would address many issues we face; like the Audius project which aims to compete with Spotify and SoundCloud, but actually paying artists for their work. I think it’s fair t…

You can pay artists without a blockchain. No actual benefit is provided to this concept by adding one.

I think it’s more about control. Artists are exploited because they have no alternative and no power to do anything about it. Audius gives the power back to the people because the governance system is decentralized. The way money is distributed is fair, transparent and a clear innovation on the current status quo

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Blockchain, perfect for ballot count and integrity thereof.

Yea, it’s useful for when you don’t trust someone to not edit history. These days I’ve seen it as a vaccination record.

I can achieve “don’t edit history” with a Merkel Tree; It’s what powers Git. Git also doesn’t consume the power requirements of a large developing nation.

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Decentralized exchanges allow users to exchange funds without ever entrusting their asset to a third party while other users are the ones who provide the liquidity and take the profit from the fees, again without anyone having to trust anyone else beyond some publicly deployed code. I'd say that at least some of of the advantages cannot be recreated by a traditional service.

It’s not that simple, however, since the inherent inefficiency means you have higher transaction costs to operate the network and since there’s no fraud protection you still need trusted third parties to broker any exchange where fraud is a possibility. As an expensive way to transfer money to your drinking buddy it works but if you’re buying or selling with strangers those third parties are necessary and still need…

> since there’s no fraud protection you still need trusted third parties to broker any exchange where fraud is a possibility.

The whole point of DEXes is that you dont need that.

>Similarly, you aren’t getting rid of trust: power recentralizes in a handful of users who control the most mining power and the developers

Maybe in ETH's case but highly decentralized non-mining networks already exist. Cardano for example is Proof of Stake and has rules in place where the more a pool has the less it earns so centralization is disincentivized.

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I often think of Dijkstra's "only do what only you can do" ... ... and apply it to this, and wonder ... ... what is it that -it- and only -it- can do?

Permanently and irrecoverably send large amounts of money into the void with a single one-character typo?

Lovely!

  Lets call them "null transfers"!

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#49

I think these types of articles are the harbinger of greatness for a technology to have impact in society. This shows that 43 companies found it valuable to invest in understanding blockchain technology. It means that millions of people are imagining a decentralized world, and how that would upend institutional. By detracting the present over-hype, the dangers of the gold rush to the miners but not marketers, they ac…

> his shows that 43 companies found it valuable to invest in understanding blockchain technology. It means that millions of people are imagining a decentralized world ...

That's another way of looking at it ...

Re: Blockchain study of 43 solutions finds 0.00% success rate

#50

I don’t claim to have any insight whatsoever, but I can’t help but think about all those decades old (now hilarious) articles about how the internet is a buzz word and hasn’t really lived up to its hype.

I am looking for that "internet vs fax" article from the 90's, and cannot put my finger on it ...
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