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I don't know any culture that banned books independent of their content that people didn't regret in the future. A few months ago I was reading about schools banning the book "To Kill a Mockingbird" because it contains basically the "n" word. I'm not american, and and havent read that book. I watched the movie, through, and it seemed to me to be a very anti racism message. I think instead of banning, schools should w…

Language is such a weird reach for a progressive critique of To Kill a Mockingbird. It's a book about a false rape allegation!

To get that far, you'd have to read the book. You can tell it contains the printed word "nigger" without going to so much effort.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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The “weapon” here is just basic conscientiousness. A publisher decided to stop publishing some books because they denigrate people, and eBay decided that they did not want to be facilitating the sale of books that denigrate people. We are not talking about an H-bomb - there is no power structure wielding a “cancel button” here.

Hey, can I come look through your house to make sure there are no books there that offend me? It would be incredibly rude of you to consume any content that random strangers might object to. I'll be over in an hour. This has nothing to do with conscientiousness. Buying a book to read at home by yourself is not the business of anyone else and neither eBay nor anyone else should be dictating what you're allowed to read…

Actually you have the property rights angle all wrong: People who control the publishing rights and the intellectual property behind an ecommerce platform to distribute things have both decided they don't want to sell certain works for whatever reason. A stupid one IMO. But it's within their rights as we currently understand corporate power. Perhaps we shouldn't be so willing to indulge liberal market freedoms as they can be a double-edged sword - property owners can "censor" cultural touchstones thanks to powerful intellectual property laws.

To fix your analogy: Someone comes to YOUR house and demands you release a "problematic" work of fiction to the public from your private collection because people are censoring it and people need to see its no big deal. You refuse, because it's yours and you don't feel like it... maybe you agree with the rabble? Either way... you know your rights.

If you want to defeat cancel culture you should advocate for LESS property rights, less market "freedom", and strong labor protections. This whole idea that you can somehow defeat a moral panic with some sort of counter moral panic (or backlash) has been tried for over 40 years - it's not working.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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post #668

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “weapon” here is just basic conscientiousness. A publisher decided to stop publishing some books because they denigrate people, and eBay decided that they did not want to be facilitating the sale of books that denigrate people. We are not talking about an H-bomb - there is no power structure wielding a “cancel button” here.

Hey, can I come look through your house to make sure there are no books there that offend me? It would be incredibly rude of you to consume any content that random strangers might object to. I'll be over in an hour. This has nothing to do with conscientiousness. Buying a book to read at home by yourself is not the business of anyone else and neither eBay nor anyone else should be dictating what you're allowed to read…

But you can dictate what eBay must allow its users to sell?

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#685

As dis-heartening as this story is, compared to a couple of years ago, it is encouraging to see lots of comments from people beginning to wake up to what is going on with this craziness and not being modded here. Free speech is about protecting the right of the un-popular and views that some may find utterly repugnant. Why? because, as we are seeing with all of the woke craziness, when you don't stand up for everyone…

> as we are seeing with all of the woke craziness

People (eg, sex workers) have been getting deplatformed (often with the government assisting in - or requiring - the deplatforming!) for decades, and I didn’t hear the free-speech / right-wing types complaining.

But now that some private companies don’t want to support racism, it’s a brand new problem we need to fight against? :P

(I agree with the overall point that censorship is a two sided blade; just find it funny when some people think that this is new, when in fact it’s been happening for longer than I’ve been alive, it just seems new to them because they’ve never been on the receiving end before)

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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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There's two kinds of freedom: freedom from and freedom to. These are some children's books that contain illustrations that some people find offensive and the publisher (and sellers) are deciding they no longer want to be associated with and sell to children. There are internet forums where the images are available and people can view them without the police knocking your door down, and I'm sure these are available in…

Nobody is forced to sell it, but ebay is a website that consumers list their stuff on. They’re clearly going out of their way to remove it. I don’t think that falls under ‘freedom to’, because nobody can list it going forward either.

So you think eBay should be forced to host ads selling it?

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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That's not what happened. This decision has actually been in the works for a while and involved a lot of discussion. > The decision to cease publication and sales of the books was made last year after months of discussion, the company, which was founded by Seuss’ family, told AP https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-dr-... eBay has an existing policy that removes racist materials. They're just appl…

So, the complete works of Shakespeare are banned because they contain "The merchant of Venice"?

Not yet, give them time!

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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post #669

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Nobody is forced to sell it, but ebay is a website that consumers list their stuff on. They’re clearly going out of their way to remove it. I don’t think that falls under ‘freedom to’, because nobody can list it going forward either.

So you think eBay should be forced to host ads selling it?

What do you think of the compromise of “direct links to the listing work, but it doesn’t appear in searches”?

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#690
post #644

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> Germany here, we banned Mein Kampf from being sold (used copyright law to do that). For me, the original "Mein Kampf" was a rather boring book to read. Since 2016, it is possible to buy a commented version of this book. It's available with the ISBN 9783981405231 for 59 € in Germany.

I really wanna buy that to see what exactly Mister A.H. had in his mind. I just wonder if me ordering it puts me on some sort of blacklist... (half /s)

Order it over Tor to some abandoned building, and pay with Bitcoin. Then you'll end up on all the blacklists :). Crazy times we live in.
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