am i blind or does the article not say why eBay bands those books?
Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay
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#582I don't know any culture that banned books independent of their content that people didn't regret in the future. A few months ago I was reading about schools banning the book "To Kill a Mockingbird" because it contains basically the "n" word. I'm not american, and and havent read that book. I watched the movie, through, and it seemed to me to be a very anti racism message. I think instead of banning, schools should w…
Germany here, we banned Mein Kampf from being sold (used copyright law to do that). I once stood in a book shop (teenager, time to look at books but not enough money to buy them) and some skindheads wanted to buy it, it wasn't available. They went away. Providing context is good, but frankly also really difficult and why not just provide newer childrens books that are more inclusive.
I'm a Turkish immigrant in Germany. I've read that book in a country it wasn't banned and I didn't turn out to be a neonazi (Yeah, Turkish "neonazis" who don't like Kurds and Syrians is a thing, unfortunately). It actually helped me fortify my arguments against them. That's why I also used to read many extreme right-wing sites, before they were all erased from the surface of the internet (and I refuse to go "deep").
Also, do you think that skinhead became a better person by not being able to buy that book? I don't think so.
Something for the parent comment: I also don't like the downvote hype here when you say anything pro-censorship. We get it already, let people discuss without making them #eee.
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#583I think, the social mechanics of this process is very simple. Ability to tell others what to do is called power. Some people are more power-hungry than others, so they seek ways to assert themselves over others. That's a perfectly normal human thing to do. What matters is the way you would achieve power in a society. Getting power through building up your name as a notable researcher or author is one thing. Playing f…
It always is the Cruel Moraliser[0].
[0]: https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-cruel-moraliser-uses-a-halo-t...
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#584As dis-heartening as this story is, compared to a couple of years ago, it is encouraging to see lots of comments from people beginning to wake up to what is going on with this craziness and not being modded here. Free speech is about protecting the right of the un-popular and views that some may find utterly repugnant. Why? because, as we are seeing with all of the woke craziness, when you don't stand up for everyone…
Freedom speech as defined in the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." What we are seeing here is a consequence of our capitalist society. It is now more profitable for eBay and other companies to pull or ban thi…
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient." Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions, and other controlling bodies.
And the first amendment is not a definition of freedom of speech. Read it again.
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#585Earlier quoted context omitted.
The company I work for did something similar at the end of last year. We had consultants who went over everything, and made a massive document of all sorts of things they deemed "problematic". Along with a week long of seminars/training/workshops on sensitivity/inclusion/etc. - Everyone had to list what pronouns they wanted people to use. In slack / our email footers everything. This was not optional. We were also to…
I often like to imagine that if I were in that situation I announce that I sexually identify as military attack helicopters and insist my pronouns are apache/apachim, but I know the irony would be lost on them and really would just result in me getting fired for thought crimes.
This isn’t a “thought crime”, it’s just painfully unfunny and doesn’t belong in a discussion between mature adults.
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#586As dis-heartening as this story is, compared to a couple of years ago, it is encouraging to see lots of comments from people beginning to wake up to what is going on with this craziness and not being modded here. Free speech is about protecting the right of the un-popular and views that some may find utterly repugnant. Why? because, as we are seeing with all of the woke craziness, when you don't stand up for everyone…
Freedom speech as defined in the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." What we are seeing here is a consequence of our capitalist society. It is now more profitable for eBay and other companies to pull or ban thi…
You’re being downvoted because people here would rather pretend to be heroes standing up to the “woke mob” than acknowledge the reality that nobody is forcing the Seuss estate or even eBay to do anything. No surprise that so many non-white people report problems in tech circles given the moral grandstanding on behalf of some caricatures going on here.
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#587Earlier quoted context omitted.
A handful of companies influencing the overton window of the entire nation in response to easily upset Twitter mobs is precisely what I consider to be part of cancel culture.
The irony is that the people I see complaining about are usually very pro market forces and let businesses do what they want type people.
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#588This is a dark day for America.
This will not end well.
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#589Earlier quoted context omitted.
The critical race stuff is getting more and more sinister and anti-white. https://www.unz.com/article/review-of-robin-diangelos-white-...
I feel baited. But what’s sinister about a book on “White Fragility”?
A theme in the book is that you're a racist if you're born white. If you deny that you're racist, then you just prove that you're indeed a racist -- hence the white fragility.
Let's look at China between 1949 and 1978. You would be Chinese version of Dalits if your parents or grandparents were landlords, farmers who owned property, counter-revolutionaries (whatever that is), bad influencers, rightist, or an intellectual. You would need to accept that you were born evil. If you denied that you were a bad guy, well, then you just proved that you were a worse person as you wouldn't even accept that you needed "transformation". Tens of thousands of people were exile to Gulag-like places and died there. Students in elementary schools could beat their principals to death for they were counter revolutionary. Millions people were striped their properties and basic rights. It was a scar cutting deep into generations of Chinese people. Oh by the way, you can attack anyone for being a "rightist", and you automatically became morally superior.
Now, how is bullshit like white fragility different China's Five Black Categories in those dark years? Just replace "rightist" with "racist", and I can't tell the difference.
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#590I don't know any culture that banned books independent of their content that people didn't regret in the future. A few months ago I was reading about schools banning the book "To Kill a Mockingbird" because it contains basically the "n" word. I'm not american, and and havent read that book. I watched the movie, through, and it seemed to me to be a very anti racism message. I think instead of banning, schools should w…
The word you are referring to is nigger. It’s a bad word that can be very offensive. It’s horrible to use it in a derogatory way, but I feel that it’s ridiculous in at least halfway intelligent conversation no one white even dare ever write it, let alone say it. As if white people have enforced themselves to just pretend the word has magic powers and it is the one who shall not be named. That’s giving an enormous amo…
> your skin color determines your ability to say a word
To illustrate your point: https://youtu.be/VsJIUJjQ4OA
Jackie Chan, in Rush Hour - an innocent tourist, trying to be friendly, and following the rules of „When in Rome...“