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Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by fuzzfactor »

mstade wrote: post #59
bluGill wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know why this construct is uncommon in the USA. In the US we use a comma. Buffalo, NY - as opposed to Buffalo in any other state. (MN, TX, and WI each have a city of buffalo - perhaps more, that is where I stopped searching). States in the US tend to be very careful about not allowing duplication of names so this is enough for the most part.

Hollywood, FL, gets me every time. :o)

Nearby town is Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, a Ft. Lauderdale suburb.

Miami . . . and Miami, Ohio.

In north Florida there's Howey-in-the-Hills.

And in Texas, Cut-n-Shoot.

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by dragonwriter »

dfxm12 wrote: post #36
gumby wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). These are common in many languages. Even in England: Weston-super-Mare is just latin for "Weston by (literally "over") the sea". And constructs like "Stratford-upon-Avon" (to disambiguate from other Stratfords) are pretty common in most places; consider " Frankfurt am Main " and " Frankfurt an der Oder " all of which specify that their town is th…

There's Manchester-by-the-Sea, MA. There's also a lot of "New" versions of older European locations as a way to distinguish them from other similarly named places when there aren't any rivers nearby, I guess, like New Jersey. Don't forget, a lot of places in the US were also already named before European settlers arrived. It might also simply not be needed as a matter of practicality. There are many Springfields, but…

> There's also a lot of "New" versions of older European locations as a way to distinguish them from other similarly named places when there aren't any rivers nearby, I guess

A whole lot of those “New” places (unsurprisingly, given patterns of human habitation more generally) have rivers nearby.

> There's Manchester-by-the-Sea, MA.

And Cardiff by the Sea, Carmel-by-the-Sea, and Corona del Mar, CA.

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by meibo »

p1mrx wrote: post #62

Wow, what a useless video at the top. You get to watch an ad, and then slowly read excerpts from the article.

They're auto-generated on every article, and are a guaranteed ad impression - basically no downsides. People seem to enjoy getting their info spoonfed in slow videos nowadays(not like I'm any better, kept watching till the end as well.)

If you look around modern news sites, you'll notice that everyone does it now.

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by jdeibele »

bluGill wrote: post #41
gumby wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). These are common in many languages. Even in England: Weston-super-Mare is just latin for "Weston by (literally "over") the sea". And constructs like "Stratford-upon-Avon" (to disambiguate from other Stratfords) are pretty common in most places; consider " Frankfurt am Main " and " Frankfurt an der Oder " all of which specify that their town is th…

> I don't know why this construct is uncommon in the USA. In the US we use a comma. Buffalo, NY - as opposed to Buffalo in any other state. (MN, TX, and WI each have a city of buffalo - perhaps more, that is where I stopped searching). States in the US tend to be very careful about not allowing duplication of names so this is enough for the most part.

"Springfield is a famously common place-name in the English-speaking world, especially in the United States. According to the U.S. Geological Survey there are currently 33 populated places named Springfield in 25 U.S. states throughout the United States,[1] including five in Wisconsin; additionally, there are at least 36 Springfield Townships, including 11 in Ohio. Database studies reveal that there are several more common U.S. place-names than Springfield, including Fairview and Midway."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_(toponym)

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by mjcohen »

fuzzfactor wrote: post #71
mstade wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hollywood, FL, gets me every time. :o)

Nearby town is Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, a Ft. Lauderdale suburb. Miami . . . and Miami, Ohio. In north Florida there's Howey-in-the-Hills. And in Texas, Cut-n-Shoot.

Howey-in-the-Hills was a notorious speed trap. Don't know if it still is.

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by adolph »

dfxm12 wrote: post #36
gumby wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). These are common in many languages. Even in England: Weston-super-Mare is just latin for "Weston by (literally "over") the sea". And constructs like "Stratford-upon-Avon" (to disambiguate from other Stratfords) are pretty common in most places; consider " Frankfurt am Main " and " Frankfurt an der Oder " all of which specify that their town is th…

There's Manchester-by-the-Sea, MA. There's also a lot of "New" versions of older European locations as a way to distinguish them from other similarly named places when there aren't any rivers nearby, I guess, like New Jersey. Don't forget, a lot of places in the US were also already named before European settlers arrived. It might also simply not be needed as a matter of practicality. There are many Springfields, but…

At some point the USPS tried to limit states to one town per name. Buda, TX was originally named Du Pre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buda,_Texas

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by adolph »

jdeibele wrote: post #75
bluGill wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know why this construct is uncommon in the USA. In the US we use a comma. Buffalo, NY - as opposed to Buffalo in any other state. (MN, TX, and WI each have a city of buffalo - perhaps more, that is where I stopped searching). States in the US tend to be very careful about not allowing duplication of names so this is enough for the most part.

"Springfield is a famously common place-name in the English-speaking world, especially in the United States. According to the U.S. Geological Survey there are currently 33 populated places named Springfield in 25 U.S. states throughout the United States,[1] including five in Wisconsin; additionally, there are at least 36 Springfield Townships, including 11 in Ohio. Database studies reveal that there are several more…

Notably: Springfield - A small rather anonymous town in the U.S. which Cobra secretly operated as a base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(G.I._Joe)

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by thaumasiotes »

Taniwha wrote: post #51
gumby wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). These are common in many languages. Even in England: Weston-super-Mare is just latin for "Weston by (literally "over") the sea". And constructs like "Stratford-upon-Avon" (to disambiguate from other Stratfords) are pretty common in most places; consider " Frankfurt am Main " and " Frankfurt an der Oder " all of which specify that their town is th…

I think it's universal Shanghai translates to "upon the sea"

> Shanghai translates to "upon the sea"

Does it? "Upon the sea" would be 海上, not 上海. 上海 would have 上 as a verb, something more like "get onto the sea".

上 preceding the name might also be interpreted as "upper", as in 上卷 "Volume 1 (of 2)" / 下卷 "Volume 2 (of 2)". Is there a paired 下海 attested somewhere?

(Chinese place names involving some kind of spatial relationship are extremely common. But note that they all use normal grammar: 关中 "within (中) the pass (关)" / 关外 "outside (外) the pass"; 山西 "west (西) of the mountain (山) / 山东 "east (东) of the mountain"; 湖北 "north (北) of the lake (湖) / 湖南 "south (南) of the lake"; etc. etc. etc. etc.)

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by andreskytt »

dmix wrote: post #12

You have to love the s/weird/unusual [1] names of places in the UK (and it looks like a beautiful area from the small picture): > Tintern, in the Wye Valley, Monmouthshire There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). Not just the England but seems just as common in Scotland, or even more common. I can imagine the early computer systems of the postal organization having to deal with these quir…

Naming is one thing but how do you deal with “Number 1 London” as an address? Can’t even google it unless you know the full thing and use quotes. Supposedly still works...
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