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I think, the social mechanics of this process is very simple. Ability to tell others what to do is called power. Some people are more power-hungry than others, so they seek ways to assert themselves over others. That's a perfectly normal human thing to do. What matters is the way you would achieve power in a society. Getting power through building up your name as a notable researcher or author is one thing. Playing f…

> a power-hungry person can have the pleasure of telling 1000 other people what to say, and financially obliterate those who don't comply > Some people are more power-hungry than others True. Also, some people are more violent than others, but we try to keep those away from the rest of the population and gradually titrate them out of the gene pool. I would love to live in a society that treated insatiable thirst for…

> gradually titrate them out of the gene pool.

Where do you see that happening?

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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My work sent out a memo today regarding what pronouns I'm allowed to use. We're in the middle of a cultural revolution, and the current trend seems to be for rapid acceleration rather than moderation.

The company I work for did something similar at the end of last year. We had consultants who went over everything, and made a massive document of all sorts of things they deemed "problematic". Along with a week long of seminars/training/workshops on sensitivity/inclusion/etc. - Everyone had to list what pronouns they wanted people to use. In slack / our email footers everything. This was not optional. We were also to…

sounds like someone let the consultants run amok - never bodes well for whatever they touch

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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As I pointed out elsewhere, this is misleading and approaching a lie. eBay only allows critically-annotated copies of Mein Kampf which are designed for scholars. I am sure that a copy of “If I Ran The Zoo” with a sociologist critically annotating the abhorrent racism would be permitted on eBay. From one of the listed items: > This item has been listed previously. eBay removed it with this reminder of the guidelines:…

What about this one? https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Der-Giftpilz-by-Ernst-Hiemer-English... I can buy a children’s book written by literal Nazis that was created to teach kids why Jews are bad and how to recognize them. I can’t buy a Dr. Seuss book about the zoo because there’s a mildly offensive picture of a Chinese person. Really?

What do you want me to say? I don’t work for eBay! It looks like that book is against eBay’s policy and should probably be flagged. They are not the only online marketplace where people sometimes break the rules.

> there’s a mildly offensive picture of a Chinese person.

a) Fuck off with “mildly offensive,” it’s flagrantly racist and doesn’t belong in a children’s book or on eBay’s marketplace (in accordance with eBay’a policy)

b) I see you didn’t mention the cartoon of the Africans in the exact same book, which is straight out of the Klan and makes your argument much weaker.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#464

I just checked out "If I ran the Zoo", and there's a page with an illustration of African people depicted like monkeys. How do people feel about this-- an overreaction or completely justified?

Aren't all people like monkeys?

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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> It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. Ebay is a private merchant. They can choose what to list too. Maybe this presents a copyright problem with clones, we don't know. I found the books by googling the title and PDF because I was curious about why they were removed. Curiosity satisifed and I still love Dr. Seuss.

The "private company" argument, while fully and technically correct, is such a ridiculous canard to trot out at a time when we slide rapidly into public-private authoritarianism. Someone (probably), in 1934 Hacker News: "BASF, Deutsche Bank, Hugo Boss, Bayer, BMW, and Siemens are private merchants. They can choose what to sell, and to whom. Maybe this presents a survival problem for the Jews, we don't know." I guess…

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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#466
This makes me sad. The Mulberry street one was always my favorite. Why don't they just find an illustrator to fix the illustrations and find a poet to fix any problematic text? Surely that wouldn't be too difficult.

Just think of how much money they would make from everyone buying correct versions of the books.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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> It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. Ebay is a private merchant. They can choose what to list too. Maybe this presents a copyright problem with clones, we don't know. I found the books by googling the title and PDF because I was curious about why they were removed. Curiosity satisifed and I still love Dr. Seuss.

Comcast is a private company, they can choose what sites to allow. Maybe this is a problem with HN. Colorado Power is a private company, they can choose who to sell power to. Maybe this is a problem with that data center.

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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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The thing seems a bit silly. Curious what was offensive I found the books are on youtube and I'm guessing it's drawing Chinese https://youtu.be/Vl6wD6EGOVk?t=228 and tribal Africans https://youtu.be/Vl6wD6EGOVk?t=519 looking like cartoon versions of those. Does this means cartoon caricatures are only acceptable if they are of white westerners? I mean I can understand the publishers thinking they may get in trouble an…

> Does this means cartoon caricatures are only acceptable if they are of white westerners?

They cancelled Apu from the Simpson’s without understanding that his presence on the show demonstrated a mainstreaming of Indian immigrants, in a similar way that the uncanceled Groundskeeper Willie, Mayor Quimby, and McBain demonstrate the mainstream acceptance of Scottish, Irish, and Austrian immigrants.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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> a power-hungry person can have the pleasure of telling 1000 other people what to say, and financially obliterate those who don't comply > Some people are more power-hungry than others True. Also, some people are more violent than others, but we try to keep those away from the rest of the population and gradually titrate them out of the gene pool. I would love to live in a society that treated insatiable thirst for…

> gradually titrate them out of the gene pool. Where do you see that happening?

It's pretty damn hard to reproduce when you're in prison.
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