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It's 6 of Dr. Seuss's books, and ones that most people haven't heard of. If you actually look at the content of the books, they are clearly racist and demeaning to those they make caricatures of. And in any case, it was not a sudden "canceling" or anything approaching that. Seuss's estate, managed by his family, made the decision after much deliberation to cease the publication of only six books due to the content. Y…
You'd think people would be tired of being unnecessarily outraged by everything by now?
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#272I think nearly every reasonable person agrees: - Particular illustrations have not aged well - The content itself nor Dr. Seuss can be accused of malice - The offending content is not really a high risk of perpetrating future malice - It's completely within the right of the publisher to not want to profit from these books anymore But at no point did it seem like anyone made the point that you can't read or enjoy the…
> The offending content is not really a high risk of perpetrating future malice I don't agree with this. Dr. Seuss's books are read by children when their minds are most malleable and least able to recognize context. Leaving these problematic images on library shelves for them to discover means that some of those children will grow up believing it's okay to think about other people that way. I know by my own experien…
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First they came for the Communists. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a Communist.Then they came for the Socialists. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me. And there was no one left. To speak out for me.
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We are destroying a culture whose solid footing used to be tolerance. People need to understand that once you go far enough in this direction there is no going back. One day a different ideology will have control. At that moment in time they will remember what you did to them. The result will be a vindictive response in the opposite direction.One of the key concepts of the idea of freedom of speech is that, in order to protect it, you have to protect that with which you do not agree, you find abhorrent or distasteful.
Cancel culture is a culture that exacts punishment, destroys lives, careers and businesses for ideological motive. Once again, having gone down this pay, people should dread the day the opposite ideology gains control.
Most Latin American nations have gone through this kind of thing repeatedly. When government B is in power, they disgrace, jail, kill, exile and fire those directly and peripherally involved with government B. When B regains power, they return the favor. This descends into industry, contracts and some areas of society.
The US, going down this path, is becoming Latin America. Be very careful what you wish for. I have seen it with my own eyes and it isn't anything Americans will enjoy. If you don't want this to happen you have to go out of your way to protect the speech, freedom and rights of those with whom you might not agree. Do that and there's a future. Take advantage of the moment in time to remain quiet (because you align with the cancellation) or be cruel to the other side and the outcome is most-assuredly something you will not enjoy at some point in your life.
I am not religious, but this rings true: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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#275Now this part is getting a little too carried away. It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. It is another (and overstepping imo) for Ebay to restrict individual people from selling to others goods that are not illegal or in violation of their other practical rules (no selling jewelry, monetary equivalents, etc). This falls into the cate…
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
A handful of companies influencing the overton window of the entire nation in response to easily upset Twitter mobs is precisely what I consider to be part of cancel culture.
The irony is that the people I see complaining about are usually very pro market forces and let businesses do what they want type people.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. Ebay is a private merchant. They can choose what to list too. Maybe this presents a copyright problem with clones, we don't know. I found the books by googling the title and PDF because I was curious about why they were removed. Curiosity satisifed and I still love Dr. Seuss.
No one fails to make this "hey, it's a private company" point in these discussions. It's always brought up when someone is criticizing a tech behemoth for censorship of some kind, and it's nearly always a non-sequitur. Guess what? It's totally fine and valid to criticize private entities even when their conduct is perfectly lawful. Thought experiment: imagine eBay and Amazon started to promote Neo-Nazi literature on…
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#279About 5 years ago a friend of mine was saying, "yeah, it's bad at the universities but it doesn't affect the real world." Pretty funny how quickly things accelerated. I'd like to get off this ride.
Eventually those people graduate