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Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#31
You can try to rent a room on a shared house, student style. There will still be other people in the same house, but the change might be good.

You can try to live in a car/van, arrive to work earlier to use the facilities, use some coffeehouse wifi, etc... This is a bit of an adventure. It will also help to show your parents your commitment and level of distress.

Normaly job change helps. Sometimes you are to tied with the work issues it is just best to leave. In a new job there will be lower expectations, because you're starting, so it will feel good. And after it will give you a new perspective in life. And learn something new. Also you can possibly take a month off in between.

You can also try a career change, there are several no experience required, that are very good to take life slower a day at the time.

Also life is messy, with a lot of pressure and unrealistic expectations. And a lot of people, apparently living happy, are in a similar situation or worse. Maybe try to talk more with people around you, to get some more perspective. Even just talking somehow helps to reduce stress of situations.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#32

Can you get ahold of some backpacking equipment? If you are not in immediate danger and you just need to get out of a rut, sweating your ass off for even just a few days in the middle of nowhere on a trail like one of these[0] can be therapeutic. Sunshine, fresh air and heavy exercise are all mood enhancers built in to your OS. [0] https://www.pcta.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/National-Tra...

Might try next weekend something like that, thanks

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

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I have a very good friend who is struggling with mental health as well and his situation started to become worse since Covid-19. As others already commented, please ASAP reach out to a professional. I don't know where you live, but I am very sure such a hotline exists pretty close to you. My friend called such a hotline and he got help and he is better now. I know this is a huge step to take, but reaching out will he…

> please ASAP reach out to a professional. I am very sure such a hotline exists pretty close to you.

Okay guys. Please. Stop suggesting professional mental healthcare as if it's something pretty much everyone has access to. In most US counties, therapy exists for those who can afford pricey insurance policies or can pay out of pocket - and that's it.

Some hotlines are staffed with mental health pros. NSP Lifeline is one. Smaller ones tend to be staffed with local volunteers. Either way, a hotline call isn't a solution. It's crisis intervention, at most a single step.

Honestly, for people who live without access to mental healthcare, telling them to just go get professional help is is effectively sending them on a snipe hunt.

source: 30 years care giving for someone with mental illness in one of the thousands of poor US counties.

5 years as social services volunteer

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#34

I have a very good friend who is struggling with mental health as well and his situation started to become worse since Covid-19. As others already commented, please ASAP reach out to a professional. I don't know where you live, but I am very sure such a hotline exists pretty close to you. My friend called such a hotline and he got help and he is better now. I know this is a huge step to take, but reaching out will he…

> please ASAP reach out to a professional. I am very sure such a hotline exists pretty close to you. Okay guys. Please. Stop suggesting professional mental healthcare as if it's something pretty much everyone has access to. In most US counties, therapy exists for those who can afford pricey insurance policies or can pay out of pocket - and that's it. Some hotlines are staffed with mental health pros. NSP Lifeline is…

This answer suffers from Americentrism. Practically every country in the world has some form of accessible mental health care. OP did not include their location, so why assume they are American? Yes, it is true if OP lives in America then the healthcare situation is a lot more difficult, but OP would already know that. These hotline answers are helpful for other readers who may also not live in America and may be unaware that hotlines exist in their respective countries.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#35
Yes, there is an alternative. Drug addiction/alcohol. If you can bottom out you can live in this world. If you can’t, all the consequences will be there (including death).

You sound like you need to bottom out. Best of luck. There is little hope when it comes to this other than bottoming out when it comes to this level of self absorption, ask any person that indulged in this level of narcissism.

Don’t kill yourself just yet. Take all your money and light it on fire. Save a bit for alcohol and drugs. Blow every relationship you have and burn every bridge. Embarrass yourself in front of the world. Then come back and we’ll discuss suicide.

Pick a path of self destruction and bottom out as soon as possible so you can get back to normal.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#36
It can be an alarming bit of advance, but consider this: You don't need to be happy all/most of the time. Happiness is especially ellusive if you focus on attaining it directly.

Read about ACT Therapy if you can - where I first learned this advice - it gets you to internalise this strategy to have a better relationship with feelings: Accept your inner experience (and be in the moment) Choose a course of actions based on things you decided you value Take action

We can't change the way we feel, at least not reliably, which means that its best to "accept" feelings (there's a specific meaning of "accept", and doens't mean you have to "like" your feeling), and we can almost always direct our attention. In almost any situation you have the power to _temporarily_ focus on something, and you can just keep diverting your attention, it's like a super power.

Separate to ACT, I've found mantra's such as the following helpful for dealing with strong episodes of emotion: Let it come. Let it be. Let it go. [Exhale slowly]

A much simpler one for a strong episodes of anxiety/sadness/dysphoria: "There's nothing I need to do about this" [At which point I usually choose something to do or think which is important to me].

In saying all of the above, some of your issues may be situational (or not, could just be an internalized playbook of beliefs), which is where getting professional help comes in, to help you work that out.

Some practical steps you might take once you have a strategy for managing your mental health: Look for an alternative living arrangement, a different (or same) job or pursuit (if not for supporting yourself financially, it will open up opportunities for social interaction and engagement). Figure out what things you value, or have valued in the past if you are too depressed to connect with that; then let these form a compass point for you.

Becoming a monk will probably mean you have to face yourself head on and you won't have conventional support - do not isolate yourself. Whatever you do, choose something that has a good chance of being absorbing and deisolating.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#37
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Here is one suggestion - It is much, much cheaper to live outside of US. You might not be rich enough to take a break in US, but have you considered taking a break by moving somewhere else? South East Asia, South America, Mexico all come to my mind. Taking time to relax is critical and we miss it out in all the rush. Just living with content is not expensive and it is a "monkish" lifestyle.

I'd like to riff off of the above poster's great comment.

Even taking an inexpensive trip through Mexico by bus (Autobuses ADO) and staying in hostels might effectively hit a 'reset' button.

If you've already had COVID, you don't have to worry about that, and climbing a few ancient pyramids, eating fried lime/salt crickets, and being surrounded by new sights, smells, and sounds at the tianguis might yank you out of your fog.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#38

Yes, there is an alternative. Drug addiction/alcohol. If you can bottom out you can live in this world. If you can’t, all the consequences will be there (including death). You sound like you need to bottom out. Best of luck. There is little hope when it comes to this other than bottoming out when it comes to this level of self absorption, ask any person that indulged in this level of narcissism. Don’t kill yourself j…

I'm pretty sure there is better advice here to listen to. Try to go up, not down.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#39
(While I may not have had your exact same conditions, I did felt the lowest in my life, before helping out in a farm)

> I’m considering either becoming a monk

Instead of "becoming", you could try to ask the temples, if they need help. I know people who go to temples, and they say, that there is always work to do. You would also get free veggie meals :)

Another option could be volunteer work on a farm, which I did. I attended a program, where you could help out families on farms for a week. They would give you shelter and food, and you would help them on their farm.

It tremendously help me out of my hole, and gave me a new perspective on life. I can expand on that, if you like. Just say so!

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Suicide?

#40

Yes, there is an alternative. Drug addiction/alcohol. If you can bottom out you can live in this world. If you can’t, all the consequences will be there (including death). You sound like you need to bottom out. Best of luck. There is little hope when it comes to this other than bottoming out when it comes to this level of self absorption, ask any person that indulged in this level of narcissism. Don’t kill yourself j…

I'm pretty sure there is better advice here to listen to. Try to go up, not down.

No, there really isn’t. Ask anyone that has been an addict or dealt with them. There are few paths other than bottoming out. This guy can’t even find the will to live, and he has yet to ruin most of his life, health, relationships, and money. He’s not even at the bottom yet to begging for it. He/she thinks they are.

Let’s get you to a point where suicide is an option, right now it isn’t. There are many things you can do before that point.

It’s an absolute disease to be this self absorbed. He/she just needs to play it out. This is the alternative - get your life to meet the objective criteria of ‘I can’t do this anymore’. ‘I am sad’ is not enough.

Drug addiction is a great benchmark of destitution. Let’s start that up.

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