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100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Strange how "broadband" and "high speed internet" can have a different meaning in various parts of the country. For ex: a 10 mbps dsl line is considered "high speed" in New Hampshire.

The article addresses the issues of multiple agencies with multiple definitions of broadband, specifically mentioning that the Dept of Agriculture has a definition of 10/1.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Nice to see. I would have hoped to see more of a mention around latency. A lot of tools are sensitive to this and a theoretically fat pipe is not useful if you have 100ms+ latencies.

Latency is the real killer. I used HughesNet satellite internet while travelling for a while and it has a 650ms round trip. Even sites built by talented and well compensated engineers would sometimes be completely unusable. For example, YoutubeTV used to download the video data in tiny little sub 1MB chunks, each from a seemingly separate CDN endpoint. The result was that each chunk needed a DNS roundtrip and then another one or two for SSL handshaking so it would take at a minimum 1.5 - 2 seconds to even start downloading the data. Needless to say, it was not usable.

Moral of the story - latency and roundtrips are the devil and some users have it extra bad, but if you make it work for them, it's going to be amazing for everyone else too.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Imagine how good our network technology policy would be if the Senate weren't run by septagenarians and octogenarian.

I fear that data caps for home internet will become standard. There is no technological reason for these caps. For wireless, they could be defended by arguing that companies only get to use so much spectrum because of FCC laws. But the only limit for home internet is the ISP's willingness to deploy equipment and install cable/fiber runs. That's exactly what customers are paying them to do.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Imagine how good our network technology policy would be if the Senate weren't run by septagenarians and octogenarian. I fear that data caps for home internet will become standard. There is no technological reason for these caps. For wireless, they could be defended by arguing that companies only get to use so much spectrum because of FCC laws. But the only limit for home internet is the ISP's willingness to deploy eq…

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Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Strange how "broadband" and "high speed internet" can have a different meaning in various parts of the country. For ex: a 10 mbps dsl line is considered "high speed" in New Hampshire.

The article addresses the issues of multiple agencies with multiple definitions of broadband, specifically mentioning that the Dept of Agriculture has a definition of 10/1.

10/1? Whats I am suppose to do with that, wipe my ass?

How am meant to backup my pc? Might as well send my data on Sd card by post.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Yes they should, but what will happen is websites and apps will get fatter and sloppier until the end result is slow, laggy performance.

It's a bit like doubling your salary and increasing your spending by more than double. That seems to be how website and app development behaves.

Imagine if bandwidth increased, latency decreased (approaching theoritical minimums), and websites/apps were built with a strict (but appropriately flexible) network budget.

Perhaps the best catchphrase here is "weakest link".

Even with 500+ mbps up and down, and pihole blocking a lot of ads, and noscript blocking some analytics and other trackers, a lot of web experiences are underwhelming.

Also, the recent fascinating post about how someone sped up GTA 5 online illustrates how the weakest link can be so weak that it ruins everything.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Yes they should, but what will happen is websites and apps will get fatter and sloppier until the end result is slow, laggy performance. It's a bit like doubling your salary and increasing your spending by more than double. That seems to be how website and app development behaves. Imagine if bandwidth increased, latency decreased (approaching theoritical minimums), and websites/apps were built with a strict (but appr…

Fascinating. Within seconds of posting my parent, the negatives rolled in. I guess my post was scanned as saying "no, don't increase bandwidth".

Far from it.

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