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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by drfuchs »

klipt wrote: post #324
random5634 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, my mom always rebelled at the feminist push to have women do men's work as the goal (without valuing work women already did). Join the military, kill people etc. I'm 100% for that, but it's crazy that a women doesn't get paid for raising kids, perhaps the most important thing for society and with INCREDIBLE costs (if done badly) and benefits (if done well) to everyone. What's even more interesting, upvalue work…

> it's crazy that a women doesn't get paid for raising kids Effectively they do get paid. In a marriage, mothers own half their husband's income. Outside a marriage, mothers get child support. The fact it's not taxed as "pay" is a bonus for mothers, not a downside! It's weird how the myth persists that mothers "not getting paid" a taxable wage is some kind of negative.

Child support is intended to cover the expenses of the child - food, clothing, education, medical, etc. It's not meant to pay for the time spent by the custodial parent in actually doing the parenting, nor any sort of "opportunity cost" of not being otherwise engaged in a paying job.

Translated to HN-world: "I'm going work on a FOSS project full-time!" World: "Great; we'll pay for your server! You won't lose a dime!" Me: "Uh, what about the income from the job I gave up?"

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by jurassic »

neonate wrote: post #197
jurassic wrote: post #130

I feel like the moonshot or bust VC startup mindset is the problem here. The startup fantasy is that you're going to take investment to build a multi-billion dollar company. But most people don't need anything close to a billion dollars to do everything they want in life, so it's unfortunate that many peoples' idea of entrepreneurship is tangled up in this unicorn playbook. This version of entrepreneurship is just a…

The blog is about female founders specifically. What's wrong with that? If you're implying they shouldn't be founders, then what you're saying is patronizing, and if you're not, then it's off topic.

I am a female founder, and I think most people (not just women) have better options than going down the VC path.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by wwww4alll »

drakonka wrote: post #261
wwww4alll wrote: post #166

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Please go out and meet people, men, women, in real life. People go through phases. Little children think they are dinosaurs and have pretend tea parties. I’ve known several women that said they didn’t ever want kids, while dating loser college boyfriends. However, when the same women met and married successful, richer, older men, the women popped out babies left and right. People say things all the time to rationaliz…

> Please go out and meet people, men, women, in real life. That's horrible advice, we're in a pandemic. But when it's over I would highly suggest taking your own advice. If you are really discussing in good faith and genuinely have never met or heard of a person who has chosen to go through life without having kids, to the point of legitimately not believing that such people even exist, it sounds like your world has…

Deflecting reality is not going to make it less real.

You exist because your parents make babies. All these so called people that claim they don’t want kids exist, because their parents make babies. Men and women make babies, because it is core biological drive in reality. No amount of rationalization will change reality.

Reality will bite people on their butt, one way or another. Biological drive will overcome any belief or thoughts, when circumstances become better for people.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #351
monoideism wrote: post #337

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It's partly that, but it's partly what the GP comment says: the prevalent idea that true equality of the sexes is for women to become exact copies of men. Since women and men are not exact copies, this causes problems.

Imo it's because there's less social resistance for women to take on the roles of men. Until men that take on the former roles of women are viewed equivalently in the dating market, it's going to be a much harder slog

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by michaelbrave »

astan wrote: post #67

Your whole blog resonates deeply with me. All this corporate grifting and women's empowerment months will do jack shit until we figure out how to make workplaces and lives more equitable for mothers and allowing for gaps, breaks and destigmatizing time off for parents of both genders. Instead, we talk about how sexism is the biggest problem. Sure, sexism might be annoying, but in the west, it is hardly something that…

Only thing I can right now is pay attention to things like this in the hopes that when/if I can finally get a company off the ground that I can help to implement things like this, and hope/encourage it to pave the way for things the way that Ford's early factories paved the way for the weekend.

I think we can make the world better, it's within our reach if only a few courageous executives would take that initial hit in immediate productivity in the interest of long term sustainability.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by ramzyo »

twoifbyseat wrote: post #358
ramzyo wrote: post #340

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> Effectively they do get paid. In a marriage, mothers own half their husband's income. That’s some creative logic. Being a stay at home parent is a full-time job. If the stay at home parent were being paid, they’d...well...be paid. “Effective” payment isn’t helpful to a full time parent raising a child and losing out on wages they would otherwise get at a job that the economy values with a taxable wage.

> “Effective” payment isn’t helpful to a full time parent raising a child ? Having room and board for yourself and your child is nothing if not helpful.

Yes, I agree. I don’t see how that ties to the original argument in the thread, though. Presumably a full time parent with a spouse who can provide for both parent and child and who gave up a taxable wage to be a caregiver already had room and board. The room and board comment seems irrelevant to the argument given the context of the preceding comments around forfeiting a taxable wage for the full time job of parenthood.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by young_unixer »

random5634 wrote: post #236
astan wrote: post #67

Your whole blog resonates deeply with me. All this corporate grifting and women's empowerment months will do jack shit until we figure out how to make workplaces and lives more equitable for mothers and allowing for gaps, breaks and destigmatizing time off for parents of both genders. Instead, we talk about how sexism is the biggest problem. Sure, sexism might be annoying, but in the west, it is hardly something that…

Yeah, my mom always rebelled at the feminist push to have women do men's work as the goal (without valuing work women already did). Join the military, kill people etc. I'm 100% for that, but it's crazy that a women doesn't get paid for raising kids, perhaps the most important thing for society and with INCREDIBLE costs (if done badly) and benefits (if done well) to everyone. What's even more interesting, upvalue work…

> it's crazy that a women doesn't get paid for raising kids

Are you suggesting that the father should pay the mother a salary for raising the kids? (Or same thing with the sexes reversed if it's the father raising the kid)

Isn't that just a more formal arrangement of a stay-at-home mother/father? The main difference would be: more financial independence to the stay-at-home party, which is good in my book, but I'm not sure if that's what you're suggesting.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by frenchy »

random5634 wrote: post #236
astan wrote: post #67

Your whole blog resonates deeply with me. All this corporate grifting and women's empowerment months will do jack shit until we figure out how to make workplaces and lives more equitable for mothers and allowing for gaps, breaks and destigmatizing time off for parents of both genders. Instead, we talk about how sexism is the biggest problem. Sure, sexism might be annoying, but in the west, it is hardly something that…

Yeah, my mom always rebelled at the feminist push to have women do men's work as the goal (without valuing work women already did). Join the military, kill people etc. I'm 100% for that, but it's crazy that a women doesn't get paid for raising kids, perhaps the most important thing for society and with INCREDIBLE costs (if done badly) and benefits (if done well) to everyone. What's even more interesting, upvalue work…

> Join the military, kill people etc

I don't think we should push women into these job, but I don't think we should push men into those jobs either.

> it's crazy that a women doesn't get paid for raising kids

Actually, my kid's day-care provider does exactly this! In a few years, he'll have teachers doing the same.

Valuing work is complicated. Personally, I'd be happy to be a stay-at-home parent if finances made that easy, even if seemed a little thankless. It's not like I feel that the webshit I build all day long is really valuable.

If someone feels undervalued as a stay-at-home parent, it's probably because they feel stuck in that job, either because of lack of education, lack of available child care, or otherwise lack of jobs.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by wwww4alll »

leetcrew wrote: post #196
wwww4alll wrote: post #108

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I am certain your parents had same ideas. Until they decided to have babies. Having kids is powerful natural drive after finding suitable enough mates. Statistically, you will have children in future, if you’re under 30 right now.

statistically, you will be attracted to women, if you're a man right now. and yet...

Attractive men and women will find each other and make babies, as they have done for thousands of years.

Instagram, Raya, Tinder make it much easier for attractive people to find each other efficiently.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Post by africanboy »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #322
africanboy wrote: post #289

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I'm not American, so I know nothing about the equal credit opportunity, sorry. I also think that traditions in USA is used to mean inertia ("things have always been done that way" etc.), but US are a very bad country for female workers for reasons that go beyond traditions. My country has its share of remarkable women, Miuccia Prada is one of them and she's still alive and well, Fabiola Giannotti is Italian and the f…

> See construction for example, you don't see women in construction. Three of my close friends are women in the construction industry and my cousin is a car mechanic. My best friend who is male works as a secretary and my uncle is a nurse. People will works on things that passionate them when they have the freedom to do so. There is no such thing as a gendered job. I am familiar with the gender equality paradox and p…

> Three of my close friends are women in the construction industry

anecdotes aside

Women working in construction numbered 1.5 percent of the entire U.S. workforce

they also earn only 80℅ of the men's pay on average.

> and my uncle is a nurse.

and so was my father, for 42 years. There are cultural differences in the World, as a low payd job there is less incentive for men in USA, only 13% of nurse are men, in Italy about 30% of them is a man.

But in Italy 80% of teachers up to high school are women, for example, still today.

Because traditionally education is a women's role.

We think (or thought) they do it better.

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