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Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by duckfang »

My wife received her first shot on December 23 (before Dr Fauci got his btw). From there, I've noticed: no extra wifi, no 5G, no extra appendages, and no cthlonic growth (oh r'lyeh now!).

In all seriousness, she said the shots hurt more than the flu shots do - and the second one she felt like the early sign of getting sick but never did (immune response, but goes oh its nothing! cool!). Past that, she's been working with covid positive people in home health settings

The MOMENT that I qualify for a covid vaccine, I'm taking it. I don't care which vaccine it is. When it's available, I'll gladly take. And for me, that's one step closer to coming back to normal lives, vacationing, and having fun in different parts of the world... And the biggest thing - putting the pandemic behind us.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by reedjosh »

hanche wrote: post #68
panny wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot. https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia... I can't find the article I read on the 23 in Norway weeks ago which stated the name of the home at this moment. Perhaps they were mistaken and retracted. I think it is safe to say anyone who claims no one has…

> 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot. Ouch. I would suspect some procedural error there, but who knows? Back to Norway. I searched a bit more for articles about the 23. No evidence they were concentrated like that. All of them were over 80, most over 90, all of them were extremely frail to begin with. In those circumstances, it is to be expected that many would…

What good does this make the vaccines? Aren't the vaccines only really desirable for the elderly? The risk factors for the disease are mainly age and underlying comorbidities, but if the same people aren't receiving it well? On top of the MRNA having no claims yet that it prevents transmission.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by tim333 »

Sebguer wrote: post #49
1996 wrote: post #45

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I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid. Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.

This kind of quoting of a "scary sounding" statistic is why people get called anti-vaxx. You heard something, and are repeating it with the intent to cause people to worry, without providing any actual facts. I looked it up. 76% of "nursing home staff" in France are refusing the vaccine. I don't generally take my vaccination advice from people working in care homes, and the Reuters article implies that it is generall…

This article has the 76% figure https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-health-wo...

>Why the scepticism?

>The nurse who spoke to FranceInfo said that the arguments her colleagues gave against the vaccine were typical of those being shared often online.

>“It’s too fast, there is a lack of objectivity, the vaccine is hiding something, why have they still not found a vaccine against AIDS...” she said.

Which seems more like general news story type arguments rather than anything scientific

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by melling »

TylerE wrote: post #5
melling wrote: post #3

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That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.

The article makes the claim. I simply repeated the claim as a tl;dr. I suppose I should have made that clear.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by viklove »

1996 wrote: post #32

I'm young and healthy, with less than 0.4% risks of dying, so I think I'll pass for the time being, and leave my dose to those who want it. I'm super happy to give it to them, as I want as many people vaccinated to protect me (herd immunity) without being vaccinated myself to avoid the rare risk of side effects that will be known better in a year or two from now. Yeah, I'm selfish. And no, I don't care about people p…

Didn't realize we had anti-vaxxers in the Millenial/Gen-Z demographic but I guess idiots know no bounds...

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by tptacek »

panny wrote: post #63
hanche wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home. In a brief look at the BMJ paper I did not see that claim, and besides I think such a dramatic incident would have made a much bigger splash in the news.

>I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot. https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia... I can't find the article I read on the 23 in Norway weeks ago which stated the name of the home at this moment. Perhaps they were mistaken and retracted. I think it is safe to say anyone who claims no one has…

No, there aren't. We're vaccinating at a massive scale in the US, concentrating on the elderly, and the events you're talking about simply aren't happening.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by bsder »

Bancakes wrote: post #74
bsder wrote: post #61

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And quoting the cite: > One reason for the scepticism is that those recommending the vaccine are the same people - the French state - whom care home workers blame for their low pay and tough working conditions, said Malika Belarbi, a care worker and trade union official. So, basically, this has nothing to do with whether the vaccines are or are not medically okay but everything to do with the fact that the workers do…

>The downvote stays. You're not a hacker news celebrity. You have no authority here. You need an ego check. I just upvoted him for no reason other than to demonstrate 1=1.

The fact that you would assign authority and credibility based upon celebrity rather than factuality is, in fact, the fundamental problem of social media.

Thanks for the example in a nutshell.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by 1996 »

viklove wrote: post #85
1996 wrote: post #32

I'm young and healthy, with less than 0.4% risks of dying, so I think I'll pass for the time being, and leave my dose to those who want it. I'm super happy to give it to them, as I want as many people vaccinated to protect me (herd immunity) without being vaccinated myself to avoid the rare risk of side effects that will be known better in a year or two from now. Yeah, I'm selfish. And no, I don't care about people p…

Didn't realize we had anti-vaxxers in the Millenial/Gen-Z demographic but I guess idiots know no bounds...

I'm not anti vaxxer: I will be happy to take any vaccine after at least 1 year has elapsed for 10M people having received that vaccine - and I will prefer non mRNA if possible, as it is an old technology therefore very well known, and if possible the vaccine that has been injected on the most people, because it will be the one that is best known.

I know that >10M people have been for 1 month, and I know that at least 10'000 people have received the vaccine about 1 year ago ago in phase 2 tests, but this is 2 separate things, while what I'm asking for is the cumulative thing.

As for why, I decide what is injected in my body and I set my own safety benchmarks.

You may call that idiocy. I call that freedom.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by cable2600 »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #47
cable2600 wrote: post #36

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Catholic Bishops are concerned about the Johnston and Johnston vaccine because it was made with aborted fetal cells. So there is an ethic concern with Catholics on the Johnston and Johnston vaccine. Not the other vaccines though.

made with cells derived from cells extracted from an aborted fetus and then passaged (grow to several 100 cell divisions on a plate, suspend in solution, discard 99% of cells, repeat hundreds of times, eventually magic happens). To call the vaccine "made from aborted fetal cells" is their argument, but it elides an astounding amount of distance between the cells used for virus production and actual aborted fetal cell…

Anything to do with aborted human fetal cells is considered a sin in the Catholic faith.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by mbg721 »

cable2600 wrote: post #89
hcknwscommenter wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

made with cells derived from cells extracted from an aborted fetus and then passaged (grow to several 100 cell divisions on a plate, suspend in solution, discard 99% of cells, repeat hundreds of times, eventually magic happens). To call the vaccine "made from aborted fetal cells" is their argument, but it elides an astounding amount of distance between the cells used for virus production and actual aborted fetal cell…

Anything to do with aborted human fetal cells is considered a sin in the Catholic faith.

The killing of an unborn child via abortion is definitively considered a sin, but receiving a vaccine developed from those cells is an act sufficiently detached from that sin that most bishops are okay with it, so the rulings are going at the moment.
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