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TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by nomay »

I'm surprised to see a typical Chinese "self-media" article being shared here, coz I myself see these as nothing more than gossip blogs, so please take them with huge amount of salt or just avoid it.

At least in my experience these are highly refined entertainment product with little to no regard to what's fact, opinion and pure made-up bullshit, their only goal is to maximize click numbers, thus more often than not written by internet marketing gurus rather than ones with real and deep domain knowledge, influencer is a more apt name for them.

The owner of this self-media publicly pledging allegiance to Huawei coz he got scholarships from them also didn't help with it.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

#12

Post by chx »

nomay wrote: post #11

I'm surprised to see a typical Chinese "self-media" article being shared here, coz I myself see these as nothing more than gossip blogs, so please take them with huge amount of salt or just avoid it. At least in my experience these are highly refined entertainment product with little to no regard to what's fact, opinion and pure made-up bullshit, their only goal is to maximize click numbers, thus more often than not…

Nonetheless , I was unaware of TSMC and ASML making a lithography breakthrough before EUV and so that at least is valuable information.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

#13

Post by rjzzleep »

nomay wrote: post #11

I'm surprised to see a typical Chinese "self-media" article being shared here, coz I myself see these as nothing more than gossip blogs, so please take them with huge amount of salt or just avoid it. At least in my experience these are highly refined entertainment product with little to no regard to what's fact, opinion and pure made-up bullshit, their only goal is to maximize click numbers, thus more often than not…

How is Chinese "self-media" being gossip blogs needing salt different from all the jobs, elon musk, paul graham and other kind of hero worship this place is normally overflowing with?

Don't get me wrong, I'm generally against Hero worship in general, and I have my fair share of beefs with ALL these different hero worship things, but I grew up on Bill Gates hero worship only to later find out that he sold the whole thing before writing a single line of code thanks to his moms connections and that the garage sale was a lot of money when you account for inflation.

Why is one ok, and the other one is Chinese "self-media". How are all those "Steve Jobs was a godly human being I was once in a meeting with him" not all "self-media" and why do we suddenly need the Chinese prefix?

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by est »

rjzzleep wrote: post #13
nomay wrote: post #11

I'm surprised to see a typical Chinese "self-media" article being shared here, coz I myself see these as nothing more than gossip blogs, so please take them with huge amount of salt or just avoid it. At least in my experience these are highly refined entertainment product with little to no regard to what's fact, opinion and pure made-up bullshit, their only goal is to maximize click numbers, thus more often than not…

How is Chinese "self-media" being gossip blogs needing salt different from all the jobs, elon musk, paul graham and other kind of hero worship this place is normally overflowing with? Don't get me wrong, I'm generally against Hero worship in general, and I have my fair share of beefs with ALL these different hero worship things, but I grew up on Bill Gates hero worship only to later find out that he sold the whole th…

> How is Chinese "self-media" being gossip blogs needing salt different

OP meant the quotation mark should be placed on the word "Chinese"

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by dannyw »

wyuenho wrote: post #9
pas wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you be a bit more specific in what agreement the Obama admin did not honor? Which parts and how?

He's implying Euromaiden in 2014 as a EU and US instigated event to erode Ukraine's political independence, thus, justifying Russia's invasion of the Crimea. We should know by now whenever region moves away from an authoritarian power's orbit is regarded by these powers' as some kind of foreign influence and subversive operation. They think it's impossible that the people themselves actually don't like authoritarian…

Nothing special to authoritarian governments. Both the left and right in the USA like to believe it's foreign influence than half the country having (sometimes drastically) different views.

The city/rural biases don't help either as you mostly see people with similar views to you.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

#17

Post by dannyw »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #8
ggm wrote: post #2

Interesting read. A little "florid" perhaps, some turns of phrase probably don't survive translation. I don't envy anyone who works the midnight shift in a 24/7 r&d boilerhouse. Liver eater indeed. Given US strategic concerns in VLSI we are probably going to see another slightly different chapter in this story:TSMC being induced to bring core IPR inside domestic US production, presumably for cash injection and guaran…

Inducing TSMC to bring production capability into the US is all benefits for the US but strategically it is bad for Taiwan. Indeed, if there are enough fabs in the US then the continued availability of fabs in Taiwan is much less important for the US, and thus Taiwan becomes less important for the US, which obviously has consequences in terms of any US involvement in defence of Taiwan in case of a military conflict w…

This is true. We have also seen such rapid policy flip flops in the past 5 years, it is untrustable. Even if you consider yourselves a close ally.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by dannyw »

luplex wrote: post #5

Fascinating. Stories like this really make me want to learn Chinese and/or move there for a while. The story highlights how they were able to benefit from US culture and education, to the point where they now took the lead. I wonder how the West could benefit from Asian culture.

The cultural belief that other countries do things better is what you describe. It's pretty Australian and American to think your country is the best at most things.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #8
ggm wrote: post #2

Interesting read. A little "florid" perhaps, some turns of phrase probably don't survive translation. I don't envy anyone who works the midnight shift in a 24/7 r&d boilerhouse. Liver eater indeed. Given US strategic concerns in VLSI we are probably going to see another slightly different chapter in this story:TSMC being induced to bring core IPR inside domestic US production, presumably for cash injection and guaran…

Inducing TSMC to bring production capability into the US is all benefits for the US but strategically it is bad for Taiwan. Indeed, if there are enough fabs in the US then the continued availability of fabs in Taiwan is much less important for the US, and thus Taiwan becomes less important for the US, which obviously has consequences in terms of any US involvement in defence of Taiwan in case of a military conflict w…

I don't think the plan is to move significant production capacity to the US. Apple and AMD would still depend on Taiwanese capacity. I can imagine two reasons for the US plant:

- political capital ("bringing hi-tec manufacturing back")

- national security ("manufacturing a few miltec chips")

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by techdragon »

dannyw wrote: post #18
luplex wrote: post #5

Fascinating. Stories like this really make me want to learn Chinese and/or move there for a while. The story highlights how they were able to benefit from US culture and education, to the point where they now took the lead. I wonder how the West could benefit from Asian culture.

The cultural belief that other countries do things better is what you describe. It's pretty Australian and American to think your country is the best at most things.

As an Australian... I have no idea where this idea comes from. American Exceptionalism has historically been a thing, but other than a general impression that equipment which have been designed and built locally in Australia tend to be above average assuming that it wasn’t built to be the cheapest... the idea that “our stuff is the best” has never really been a thing, except maybe Beer... and only among people who are obviously fans of that beer.

Edit: This might be an east coast vs west coast of Australia thing. I’m from Western Australia and I just realised that this might be more of an east coast cultural thing...

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