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Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by advaitruia »

andrew_ wrote: post #50

I hope this gives rise to another, smaller viable party outside of Amazon, Google, and Microsoft. Perhaps I'm jaded, perhaps hopelessly biased - but I can only see this as a net negative. Okta's open source packages receive a pitiful amount of attention (for example: https://github.com/okta/okta-oidc-js/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%... ) with forks almost becoming a requirement. Auth0 by contrast has been "on the ball" for…

Have you seen SuperTokens.io? Its open source authentication. Maybe not as mature as Amazon, Google and Okta but we'll get there!

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by advaitruia »

chrisbuc wrote: post #249
beachy wrote: post #227

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Fair comment. However I don't see many web sites with a "sign in with FusionAuth" button, and I don't see any way to get such a button for my site. Not without paying anyway - which is really my whole point. Free will always win.

I'm just starting a new side project, and have looked at Keycloak and fusionauth. Fusionauth has a free offering (ie, self hosted), and takes a minute to install and run. I like it a lot and am going forward with it for testing. You won't see a login with fusionauth button, you'll just see a login button on my website, which might give you Google, github,LinkedIn logins etc depending on what I choose.

Depending on what set of features you need, it may make sense to also have a look at SuperTokens.io. Probably not as mature but we're open source and stronger with customization of the end user experience (frontend stuff), support and ease of implemenetation.

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by hanikesn »

robotdan wrote: post #88
kenm47 wrote: post #75

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Have you heard of https://fusionauth.io/ ? I'm not a user of the product, but I know some of the folks behind it. Might be time for them to shine here.

Thanks for the mention. We already do see quite a few Auth0 converts. I expect to gain a lot of new customers as a result of this merger in the coming months. No complaints here.

FusionAuth looks quite interesting. I'd like to see a comparison with AzureActiveDirectoy as well as in my last company we ended up sticking with it instead of migrating to auth0/octa/servicenow. Especially because Developer self-service works very well there. I couldn't find any details about this on your website.

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by capableweb »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #103
bena wrote: post #26

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So you're not fond of them? I have limited exposure. We use them at my place of work for 2fa for our VPN. And an organization we work with uses it for authentication. But I haven't had to use them in anything I've developed.

The idea of outsourced identity is just so contradictory it makes my blood pressure shoot up when people sincerely suggest it. I'll make an exception for Office 365 / AAD when an organization has already got their userbase added, but after that I'd wager if an org is big enough to need their own federated authX, then they're big enough to deploy IdentityServer and be done with it.

Welcome to the future of the internet and web! Originally everyone was supposed to run their own servers and websites, but instead we have... The cloud?

Hardly surprising that it didn't stop with that, and today you can basically build an app on 100% rented hardware/software via services. So if we're already outsourcing everything else, why not identity?

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by jonplackett »

andrew_ wrote: post #50

I hope this gives rise to another, smaller viable party outside of Amazon, Google, and Microsoft. Perhaps I'm jaded, perhaps hopelessly biased - but I can only see this as a net negative. Okta's open source packages receive a pitiful amount of attention (for example: https://github.com/okta/okta-oidc-js/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%... ) with forks almost becoming a requirement. Auth0 by contrast has been "on the ball" for…

We use Okta at work.

I have to re-log-in to everything, virtually every time I use it. Okta seems to have no ability to remember who I am, or even that I've used this browser 10000 times before and don't need to be Two-Factored for the 10th time today.

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by faichai »

jonplackett wrote: post #266
andrew_ wrote: post #50

I hope this gives rise to another, smaller viable party outside of Amazon, Google, and Microsoft. Perhaps I'm jaded, perhaps hopelessly biased - but I can only see this as a net negative. Okta's open source packages receive a pitiful amount of attention (for example: https://github.com/okta/okta-oidc-js/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%... ) with forks almost becoming a requirement. Auth0 by contrast has been "on the ball" for…

We use Okta at work. I have to re-log-in to everything, virtually every time I use it. Okta seems to have no ability to remember who I am, or even that I've used this browser 10000 times before and don't need to be Two-Factored for the 10th time today.

I asked for a trial login for Okta a few years ago. They sent it to me, but it didn't work. Not great for an authentication company. Made a point to avoid them based on that experience.

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by drakonka »

vwpolo3 wrote: post #113
andrew_ wrote: post #50

I hope this gives rise to another, smaller viable party outside of Amazon, Google, and Microsoft. Perhaps I'm jaded, perhaps hopelessly biased - but I can only see this as a net negative. Okta's open source packages receive a pitiful amount of attention (for example: https://github.com/okta/okta-oidc-js/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%... ) with forks almost becoming a requirement. Auth0 by contrast has been "on the ball" for…

There are already true open source alternatives on the horizon such as https://github.com/ory It is about time for a new generation of identity systems in my opinion. This acquisition shows the risk of centralized, vendor locked-in services.

We used ORY fosite to write our auth service, and I have so far really enjoyed working with the lib. Feels like they aren't as focused on external users of the fosite lib though so much as their hydra solution which consumes it. The overall ORY ecosystem seems nice though, though I have not delved into it in detail past fosite.

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by LilBytes »

krysp wrote: post #252
kornesh wrote: post #250

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I thought I was the only one to get offended every time I have to relogin lol. AWS is the absolute worst, logs me out every 5 minutes. I have been fascinated about google's identity aware proxy design. We have adopted something similar at much smaller scale with kubernetes and sidecars, I can attest we're absolutely more productive.

On the point about AWS, there are settings in your account to prevent that happening - whoever is managing it may have set the log out time a bit low.

Even then the max session is 12 hours which can be cumbersome, though we've made it work using an IdP into AWS SSO.

12 hours is typically enough but, for the days it isn't (i.e. something breaks and I'm working over time), it becomes tiresome.

Re: Okta to Acquire Auth0 for $6.5B

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Post by wp381640 »

p_l wrote: post #186
wp381640 wrote: post #164

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It's there! Awesome. Thank you.

Please make a write up about using it - my current use of keycloak doesn't fit webauthn (clients access it from virtual workstations that don't have usb access) but I'd like to incorporate it further in my toolbox for future projects

I may do just that and add it to the docs - thanks for the tip
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