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India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by naruvimama »

devwastaken wrote: post #30

There is an odd trend in pieces submitted about india that spawns new accounts in support of whatever it is the india government is doing. I'm in the west so probably better to updoot someone from india that has better insight. This is just my observation. If what mozilla is saying is true this is a very obvious power grab that only applies to law abiding people. Internet protocols don't care about laws, you can try…

Have you also not noticed that the vast majority are critical of the government.

The problem with crying wolf is that, when the wolf does really emerge people would ignore your cries.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by frongpik »

hn-private-364 wrote: post #18

This law is clearly made by people who know what they're demanding: instead of China's closed wall garden of internet, the ruling BJP party realizes they can have their cake and eat it as well. They want to allow multi-national corporations to exist in the country because removing them in the near future is going to cause a dent in their own operational policy. But rather, they clearly want to control these companies…

There's clearly a trend: the more people live in a country, the more paranoidal and authoritarian its rulers. They are afraid of their people and want more control. That's understandable.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by naruvimama »

Sangama34 wrote: post #23
sadfev wrote: post #4

Well the power is stripped away from unregulated social media giants, so the feeble dependents (Mozilla) are raging on that how it will “harm” internet and “curtail” freedom. Play stupid games and win stupid prices. No govt will surrender sovereignty and media control. Just because US is dumb enough to completely surrender itself to Social media megatech companies that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to.

> Play stupid games and win stupid prices. No govt will surrender sovereignty and media control. Why should government control the media ? That makes no sense. Most of the social media giants lose money on their India operations while giving poor Indians an opportunity to have a better platform to express themselves. India has virtually seen a one party rule since independence, that too by a single family who could b…

Are you implying big tech is involved in charity in India.

That makes it all the more worring. Subverting democracy at the behest of a foreign actor for pay.

Pay per tweet taken to a new level.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by _bsn2 »

hn-private-364 wrote: post #18

This law is clearly made by people who know what they're demanding: instead of China's closed wall garden of internet, the ruling BJP party realizes they can have their cake and eat it as well. They want to allow multi-national corporations to exist in the country because removing them in the near future is going to cause a dent in their own operational policy. But rather, they clearly want to control these companies…

Looks like the so called (by you) dark times are just right for people of your ilk to exit the very country who's ruling government (BJP) is providing for your every need and most of the time luxuries, like the Internet access to allow you to post such derogatory comments and get away with it.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by _bsn2 »

azifali wrote: post #32

Yet another regressive move from a repressive party trying to have the cake and eat it too, with free market policies where it makes sense and a China style control with a single party where convenient. These laws are likely to be enforced against Big Tech but the real losers are going to be users.

I don't see how in any way nationalist and law abiding citizens of India are going to lose anything.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by _bsn2 »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #47
garrytan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think twice before calling law makers stupid , that too the eminent layers of the country with 1.5 Billion people and worlds biggest democracy. With what kind of preconceived opinion you think that "things that they don't fully understands." This is racism at its peak. And can you even understand the article attached which is in hindi? If you would have , you could have made a reasonable argument here rather than mak…

As someone who understands Hindi, yeah I have to concur it's a authoritarian and stupid law. It will only be selectively enforced and seeing the track record of this regime, it will be used to suppress dissent.

As someone who understands English as well, yeah, I have to concur that social media giants like Twitter have gotten more powerful than necessary. The law is just right, and at the right time, nothing stupid about it.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by tejasgarde »

_bsn2 wrote: post #56
rishav_sharan wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who understands Hindi, yeah I have to concur it's a authoritarian and stupid law. It will only be selectively enforced and seeing the track record of this regime, it will be used to suppress dissent.

As someone who understands English as well, yeah, I have to concur that social media giants like Twitter have gotten more powerful than necessary. The law is just right, and at the right time, nothing stupid about it.

Agree Social media platforms gotten more powerful than necessary. Also Saying new laws are suppressing freedom of speech is not enough , for sake of valid argument one must point out which clause/sub clause of the said law mentions this suppression.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by happy-go-lucky »

If it's all about using a disclosed identity to help law enforcement solve a crime, law-abiding citizens would have nothing to cry foul over.

On the other hand, if you are required to disclose your identity when your anonymity clashes with the policies and procedures of governments, this is unfair since it stands in the way of freedom of expression and hints at fascistic intimidation tactics.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by _bsn2 »

tejasgarde wrote: post #57
_bsn2 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who understands English as well, yeah, I have to concur that social media giants like Twitter have gotten more powerful than necessary. The law is just right, and at the right time, nothing stupid about it.

Agree Social media platforms gotten more powerful than necessary. Also Saying new laws are suppressing freedom of speech is not enough , for sake of valid argument one must point out which clause/sub clause of the said law mentions this suppression.

I am not at all of the opinion that the new laws suppress freedom of speech. I was countering the previous comment using sarcasm as a means to convey the futility of their argument.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by wornohaulus »

Indians have elected their government .. and any third party which is non state actor has no control or say over it .. especially if the same social media companies bring their own agenda along and distort reality at larger scale .. its better to distort reality at an individual level by another individual.. but a social media with enough resources can twist any fact and have much far reaching consequences .. we have chosen our own demons to fight .. we dont want some international privately owned companies what is wrong and what is right !! at least with a right leaning government, we own our own failures .. otherwise stop deplatforming people and be truly neutral ..then we will see.. a social media is just a tool for entertainment.. these white men sitting in their thrones dont decide my countries future .. especially when we already have an extremely stupid left leaning ecosystem already destroying any sort of progress and distorting it.. this global left movement has already won in USA .. and even europe .. we won't let it win here in India .. at any cost !
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