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India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by revendell_elf »

throwaway198812 wrote: post #6
sadfev wrote: post #4

Well the power is stripped away from unregulated social media giants, so the feeble dependents (Mozilla) are raging on that how it will “harm” internet and “curtail” freedom. Play stupid games and win stupid prices. No govt will surrender sovereignty and media control. Just because US is dumb enough to completely surrender itself to Social media megatech companies that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to.

You are going to be downvoted by so called experts from the West who think they know how the world works, and their way is the only right way.

He has been downvoted already. This is pretty much expected from "Experts from the West". And here I thought HN was unbiased.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by revendell_elf »

drieddust wrote: post #9
numToStr wrote: post #3

Stupid people making laws for the things that they don't fully understands.

Your argument will hold true if social media companies act as a platform and don't censor or intervene. In reality they take sides and push their agenda so this is bound to happen. Companies coming together to de-platform Trump and Twitter CEO admitting that twitter employees are left leaning are very good examples of why this would happen.

But those are the "experts" from the West. They believe that censoring Trump was correct but a country who wants to save it's sovereignty is incorrect and should not happen. It goes against their narrative.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by throwaway198812 »

revendell_elf wrote: post #11
throwaway198812 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are going to be downvoted by so called experts from the West who think they know how the world works, and their way is the only right way.

He has been downvoted already. This is pretty much expected from "Experts from the West". And here I thought HN was unbiased.

The one thing people in the West know is how to be parochial about the world, and they don’t even know how the Midwest works in their own country. After “democracy” and “human rights”, “internet freedom” and “climate change” are going to be the new fronts, and Jack Dorsey is growing his beard to look like Ayatollah of Market St.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by revendell_elf »

uniclaude wrote: post #8
sadfev wrote: post #4

Well the power is stripped away from unregulated social media giants, so the feeble dependents (Mozilla) are raging on that how it will “harm” internet and “curtail” freedom. Play stupid games and win stupid prices. No govt will surrender sovereignty and media control. Just because US is dumb enough to completely surrender itself to Social media megatech companies that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to.

The view that governments are necessarily trying to control information unless they’re dumb is not universally shared. This has little to do with surrendering sovereignty.

But the view that companies trying to censor and control information is universally acceptable, right? I think most the universe lies in the West.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway198812 wrote: post #7
numToStr wrote: post #3

Stupid people making laws for the things that they don't fully understands.

Racist much? Not sure if you are Indian, but calling other people of different race stupid for protecting it’s own country makes you look crap, and you very well might be.

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Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by drieddust »

revendell_elf wrote: post #12
drieddust wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument will hold true if social media companies act as a platform and don't censor or intervene. In reality they take sides and push their agenda so this is bound to happen. Companies coming together to de-platform Trump and Twitter CEO admitting that twitter employees are left leaning are very good examples of why this would happen.

But those are the "experts" from the West. They believe that censoring Trump was correct but a country who wants to save it's sovereignty is incorrect and should not happen. It goes against their narrative.

Champions of free expression wants to grant more power to Jack and his cohort than to the democratically elected Government because Governments are corrupt but Jack is not. How Ironic?

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by hn-private-364 »

This law is clearly made by people who know what they're demanding: instead of China's closed wall garden of internet, the ruling BJP party realizes they can have their cake and eat it as well.

They want to allow multi-national corporations to exist in the country because removing them in the near future is going to cause a dent in their own operational policy. But rather, they clearly want to control these companies so they peddle only their own approved messaging.

The approved messaging however is not to toe to any standards of tolerance or deceny. The ruling party has an active social media campaign with tens of thousands of people actively spreading hate and lies through WhatsApp and Facebook.

https://www.firstpost.com/india/massive-tweet-volumes-comple...

They prosecute citizens who stand up against them under sedition charges, which are non-bailable offences. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56068522

They most recently started another WhatsApp Hate Factory group. https://www.newslaundry.com/2021/02/15/we-infiltrated-the-te...

This government is not shy about their right-wing communal leaning. They want to create a country that is hospitable to only one majority religion, and within that they do not allow free expression that goes against their wishes.

This is just another step in the direction, and the times are dark indeed.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by A12-B »

uniclaude wrote: post #8
sadfev wrote: post #4

Well the power is stripped away from unregulated social media giants, so the feeble dependents (Mozilla) are raging on that how it will “harm” internet and “curtail” freedom. Play stupid games and win stupid prices. No govt will surrender sovereignty and media control. Just because US is dumb enough to completely surrender itself to Social media megatech companies that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to.

The view that governments are necessarily trying to control information unless they’re dumb is not universally shared. This has little to do with surrendering sovereignty.

Governments that want to keep their power have to control information. Every country does it differently, but they all do it.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

sadfev wrote: post #4

Well the power is stripped away from unregulated social media giants, so the feeble dependents (Mozilla) are raging on that how it will “harm” internet and “curtail” freedom. Play stupid games and win stupid prices. No govt will surrender sovereignty and media control. Just because US is dumb enough to completely surrender itself to Social media megatech companies that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to.

there are philosophies of governance that do not expect governments to have media control.
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