Meat consumption and risk of 25 conditions: outcome-wide analyses of 475K people

Post by vlod » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

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When it was sugar all along? Er no, people were told to stop eating fat but of course they didn't and average calorie intake went up in all categories. Sugar intake in the US peaked years ago but Americans are fatter than ever. Chicken and cheese consumption is through the roof. Like the article says, being overweight is very unhealthy and almost any diet that keeps you from gaining weight is going to reduce your ris…

"The advantage of a plant based diet is that it's a lot kinder to the earth and to our animal cousins while also helping you avoid obesity." Does it actually help avoid obesity? Many of the vegetarians I know are overweight or even obese.

Post by vlod » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

boatsie wrote: post #222

So, fat is bad. Carbs are bad. Meat is bad. Assuming you eat calories (ie leafy vegetables are not a large source of calories), what are you left with? Plant based low fat, low carb lean protein? Peanuts are high in fat. Beans are high in carbs. There’s like nothing you really should eat.

Post by bigfudge » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

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No, that is not what it says. > In multi-variable adjusted (including BMI) So after correcting for BMI, meat consumption is still bad.

No, that is not what it said. The summary says "higher BMI accounted for a substantial proportion of these increased risks suggesting that residual confounding or mediation by adiposity might account for some of these remaining associations" That means that a substantial proportion of the increased risk is explained by a higher BMI. Unfortunately the summary doesn't say how much "substantial" is.

Post by bigfudge » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

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If you can figure out how to successfully market and sell "Eat less, eat quality" to American consumers while maintaining food supplier revenue growth, you'll solve a lot of problems. My personal opinion is that we're so growth and value oriented - and that's fundamentally incompatible with a healthy diet. Look at CostCo! They have an amazing amount of fresh, healthy meats and vegetables. But you're still walking out…

I think it has been figured out, it is just heavily lobbied against. In general, you have to flip normal. Every time I get my Butcherbox pasture raised beef out of the freezer, I'm aggravated they have to print "pasture raised"... that should be the standard, not the luxury brand. A few ideas off the cuff... - Make food companies label non-organic food and say why they aren't organic, vs. making organic declare thems…

Post by cbozeman » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 10:33 PM UTC

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Just look to biology for the answers, its there if you pay attention. The leader of a wolf pack gets first pickins at a kill, and it always eats the liver first. Large carnivores elsewhere eat organs first as well. There's a growing body of research for something that's being called the "carnivore" diet, and there's a sub-movement called "eating nose-to-tail" that seems to be, as best as I can tell, led by a physicia…

Another leader in the diet realm is Sean baker, a surgeon, who runs meatrx.com. That website contains a large repository of video testimony from people who have done the carnivore diet. There are hundreds and hundreds of them, each one making eyebrow raising claims. They include remission of asthma, arthritis, MS, anxiety, depression, chronic skin rash, brain fog and many many more things. That repository will conver…