This happens even outside Defense in all specialized industry. I was once asked if I could reverse engineer a part for a 30 year newspaper stacking machine in a printing press. Very interesting stuff and a consequence of being niche.
Exactly. We're dealing with: - Limited production run. These aren't Ford Mustangs or Toyota Priuses with hundreds of thousands and millions being produced. There were 21 built over 13 years. This also leads to the consequence that each one should be considered a bespoke creation and not a "copy" of the others (even ignoring the 20+ years of individual maintenance work they've each had). - Time. It's been 21 years sin…
The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
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Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#62Reverse engineering seems like a good skillset for the DoD to nurture, anyway. Yes, the US is going to be at the cutting edge of weapons design at least through the medium term, but the leadership isn't arrogant enough to think that all engineering innovations will come domestically. If the US acquired a next-generation Chinese fighter, wouldn't it be handy if someone had the expertise to tell you exactly how its par…
I wish my tax dollars were going to some galaxy-brain forward thinking group of men and women capable of making such reverse engineering challenges for itself; but it almost certainly is the case that what looks like sheer incompetence is just that.
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#63Reverse engineering seems like a good skillset for the DoD to nurture, anyway. Yes, the US is going to be at the cutting edge of weapons design at least through the medium term, but the leadership isn't arrogant enough to think that all engineering innovations will come domestically. If the US acquired a next-generation Chinese fighter, wouldn't it be handy if someone had the expertise to tell you exactly how its par…
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#64Unfortunately, this will result in failure. This country simply does not have enough skilled engineers to design and produce original parts to requirements. Let alone reverse engineer a worn out part. B2 is product of its time and the amount of engineering resources that went into design and development simply can not be replicated with current society. Tik Tok stars make multi millions of dollars, so why would any s…
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#65This happens even outside Defense in all specialized industry. I was once asked if I could reverse engineer a part for a 30 year newspaper stacking machine in a printing press. Very interesting stuff and a consequence of being niche.
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also sounds like a git repository where people were working on local branches to do production work and then when they left the company, never pushed their branch upstream.
That's assuming there is a git repo or any kind of version control at all.
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
My dad was talking to an engineer at one of the major airlines manufactures apparently some critical part was foam injection or some such. Anyway the process as such did not work as documented. You had to add strings to the inside of the mold to get it to set correctly. This was not written down anywhere. Part of it may have been job protection. The union was bad about that. New hires would not be able to complete th…
It's also possible it was "Hey! The foam injection machine isn't working, I've tried everything", "There's this string trick I used once, try that", "Great, that fixed it, we should document that", "Sure, once we get all parts made that have backed up" Or, maybe I'm reading bad practices in my industry to everywhere else.
It is totally possible that the line workers have no idea what the documentation on the tooling says.
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#68I read once that if you tried to build WWII-era aircraft according to specs and mechanical drawings, they wouldn't fly. The real design was found in the dies and jigs that were adapted after many iterations and test flights.
How things came to be and are, are often at times not documented. Dimension and tolerancing is lost over time too.
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#69This happens even outside Defense in all specialized industry. I was once asked if I could reverse engineer a part for a 30 year newspaper stacking machine in a printing press. Very interesting stuff and a consequence of being niche.
Also in auto repair. A shop told me they wanted to take a gasket from the engine, draw the part, then send it to a machine shop to have it fabricated.
Re: The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
#70Why is the government allowed to reverse engineer AND create laws making it difficult for citizens to do so? Obviously the answer is that it is legal to reverse engineer something if you own it. That said... I think there's an opportunity here: EFF and other pro-reverse engineering organizations should sue and demand that the DOD follow the same laws that citizens follow. If they lose the lawsuit, it be great ammunit…
Or the contract allows it.