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Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

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Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

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The standard conversation that happens around such posts:

"Salaries in SV are so much higher than elsewhere" - "But so is rent, but SV still comes out to be more profitable"

"Salaries in USA are so much higher than elsewhere" - "But so is healthcare, and there's no social safety net"

"Salaries in FANG make smart people work on optimizing for clicks instead of doing something more beneficial for the world"

Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

#12
post #7

This is so misleading. In silicon valley total compensation is touching 400k+/year on an average for experienced professionals. They should've at least consulted something like levels.fyi before publishing and looking dumb.

Do you have a source that says the average experienced engineer in Silicon Valley makes $400k/year?

Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

#15

The standard conversation that happens around such posts: "Salaries in SV are so much higher than elsewhere" - "But so is rent, but SV still comes out to be more profitable" "Salaries in USA are so much higher than elsewhere" - "But so is healthcare, and there's no social safety net" "Salaries in FANG make smart people work on optimizing for clicks instead of doing something more beneficial for the world"

In Germany I earn 30k but my kids attend free public school and I can sleep knowing they won't be shot one day.

Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

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I wonder how common it was for companies to not give out any raises due to economic changes from the pandemic. It depends I suppose on what the business is and what the impact is. Our Fortune 50 company late last year announced no raises based on the annual review cycle because of "things", but did give out bonuses. Of course then we had record earnings announcements recently, so it's not clear what the "things" were…

Several companies I know seemed to lie and use Covid as a convenient excuse to not give out raises (or give shitty bonuses, etc) to save money in the short term. Meanwhile hiring and earnings don't match up to those actions.

That's a fairly cynical take. You may be right, at least in some cases, but I also think it's reasonable for any executive to look at the unprecedented situation with a high degree of uncertainty and reign in spending on all possible fronts. In hindsight perhaps cutting back salaries/bonuses wasn't warranted, but that doesn't mean it was all planned as a scheme to boost profits.

Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

#17

interesting how different this is from the salaries at large companies on levels.fyi. annoyingly, the dice URL is broken currently, so I can't verify the underlying dataset.

yeah huge information asymmetry as people are used to looking up "salary" versus "total compensation" these salaries are 1/3rd to 1/10th of what people actually make, and thats not a statistical outlier with the stock appreciation over the last few years

Of course, that sort of RSU appreciation can go away overnight. (To be clear, RSUs still have significant value even if they don't appreciate. But a lot of the really big $$ people have been making over the past 5 years or so are because of stock gains.)

ADDED: It's a difficult problem to solve with one number though. Base salary hasn't been very representative of total comp at the big SV tech companies over the past few years. On the other hand, there's not necessarily reason to believe that the past 5 years or so will be representative of the next 5 years--even if RSUs and bonuses are still relevant to a certain degree.

Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

#18

This Dice stuff is hard to believe. I have literally not made that much in base comp since 2014 (no matter what my visa application says). It's like way low.

They intentionally leave out equity pay too. That way you manager can say you're making "industry standard" competitive pay at 1/2 of what others are actually making.

Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

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post #12
post #7

This is so misleading. In silicon valley total compensation is touching 400k+/year on an average for experienced professionals. They should've at least consulted something like levels.fyi before publishing and looking dumb.

Do you have a source that says the average experienced engineer in Silicon Valley makes $400k/year?

That number is too high. If you restrict to the FAANG companies, though, it is only a small overestimate. See https://www.levels.fyi/ and select Google. There an L5 represents an "experienced" engineer with at least 4-5 years of experience, and total comp is $350k. Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and Microsoft are similar.

Re: Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across U.S.

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah huge information asymmetry as people are used to looking up "salary" versus "total compensation" these salaries are 1/3rd to 1/10th of what people actually make, and thats not a statistical outlier with the stock appreciation over the last few years

Of course, that sort of RSU appreciation can go away overnight. (To be clear, RSUs still have significant value even if they don't appreciate. But a lot of the really big $$ people have been making over the past 5 years or so are because of stock gains.) ADDED: It's a difficult problem to solve with one number though. Base salary hasn't been very representative of total comp at the big SV tech companies over the past…

Those stock gains absolutely are negotiating leverage as much as the same person's prior or competing salaries would be, so I don't think it is productive to draw a distinction. Open to discussion.

An "L5" position is very similar to what is written on Levels.fyi and Blind, no matter what macroeconomic factors made it so across the board

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