My favourite way of thinking about these operations comes from category theory: * addition: the cardinality of the disjoint union of two sets * multiplication: the cardinality of the direct product of two sets * exponentiation: a^b is the cardinality of the set of maps from B to A where B is a set of cardinality b and A is a set of cardinality a
What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
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Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#32Multiplication has started as repeated addition. That's where the idea came from.
> It is as if there were two types of addition: regular, random, “wild” addition and the specially-bred variety of addition to which we give the name multiplication.
Nobody. Literally nobody said that
Of course, you'll need to forget a bit the idea of repeated multiplication when you get into the rationals/reals/complex numbers, but even there it kinda makes sense
So no, I think this is the kind of teacher that makes the students even more confused and prone to hating math
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#33These articles bring back memories of teachers telling me I was wrong, because I didn't use the quadratic formula, but completed the square instead. You can definitely see multiplication as repeated addition. It's even a useful thing to do, how else would you define multiplication? This is the whole idea that made mathematics great. You define more complicated operations in terms of familiar operations. Then, if you…
> You can definitely see multiplication as repeated addition. Only for rational numbers. Doesn't work for real and complex numbers. > It's even a useful thing to do, how else would you define multiplication? Axiomatically, not algorithmically.
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#34I don't understand. The author is mixing up physics (dimensional analysis) and maths, and trying to give the multiplicand a special role (I didn't even know there was a distinction between the two terms - to me they are both factors). This might be true in the physical world, but in the world of numbers, I think the distinction is irrelevant. Furthermore, being able to compute/define multiplication through repeated a…
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#35It may be wrong, but it is good enough to run all of our computation at the transistor level :) The fascinating thing is that now these transistors are helping make new math proofs beyond human comprehension.... how does that come out of addition?
5*11 = 5*(8+2+1) = 5*8 + 5*2 + 5*1 = (5...and then doing all this in parallel.
Instead of:
5*11 = 5+5+5+5+5+5+5+5+5+5+5
;)
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#36My favourite way of thinking about these operations comes from category theory: * addition: the cardinality of the disjoint union of two sets * multiplication: the cardinality of the direct product of two sets * exponentiation: a^b is the cardinality of the set of maps from B to A where B is a set of cardinality b and A is a set of cardinality a
This seems a bit restricted. How do you go about extending it to real and complex numbers?
Here's a list of some approaches.
https://mathoverflow.net/questions/310004/categorifications-...
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can definitely see multiplication as repeated addition. Only for rational numbers. Doesn't work for real and complex numbers. > It's even a useful thing to do, how else would you define multiplication? Axiomatically, not algorithmically.
If you define the reals axiomatically, you still need an existence proof. Which will involve addition and multiplication algorithms.
Thinking of multiplication as repeated addition also won't explain anything about it. It's a separate operation. Deal with it. For similar reasons, you can't calculate x-th power of a number, when x is irrational, by decomposing it into exponentiation and roots.
This metaphor is just training wheels. At some point you should lose it.
Together with the notion that "multiplication is repeated addition" comes the notion that numbers are quantities. Only some of them are, and this isn't really what makes them numbers. Now what exactly gets repeated, when you don't have quantities?
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#38These articles bring back memories of teachers telling me I was wrong, because I didn't use the quadratic formula, but completed the square instead. You can definitely see multiplication as repeated addition. It's even a useful thing to do, how else would you define multiplication? This is the whole idea that made mathematics great. You define more complicated operations in terms of familiar operations. Then, if you…
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#39I can see that having an engrained belief that multiplication is defined via addition becomes problematic at some point when learning about mathematics. However, this is true for a lot of basic properties that hold over the integers and not in other domains, so I'm not really convinced that it's actually wrong to teach kids about multiplication this way.
Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)
#40I don't understand. The author is mixing up physics (dimensional analysis) and maths, and trying to give the multiplicand a special role (I didn't even know there was a distinction between the two terms - to me they are both factors). This might be true in the physical world, but in the world of numbers, I think the distinction is irrelevant. Furthermore, being able to compute/define multiplication through repeated a…
Agreed. Multiplier and multiplicand are different words but the commutative property says their values can swap equivalently, so . . . what was the author's point again?