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What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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It may be wrong, but it is good enough to run all of our computation at the transistor level :)

The fascinating thing is that now these transistors are helping make new math proofs beyond human comprehension.... how does that come out of addition?

Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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Does anyone have an intuition for why Presburger arithmetic is decidable, but once you introduce x, it is not? If + can be rewritten as repeated succ, (which is decidable) and x can be rewritten as repeated +, then it seems logical that x should be decidable, but as any undergraduate CS student knows, Peano arithmetic is undecidable. What is so special about x exactly?

It's a variable number of addition operations.

Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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My favourite way of thinking about these operations comes from category theory:

* addition: the cardinality of the disjoint union of two sets

* multiplication: the cardinality of the direct product of two sets

* exponentiation: a^b is the cardinality of the set of maps from B to A where B is a set of cardinality b and A is a set of cardinality a

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My favourite way of thinking about these operations comes from category theory: * addition: the cardinality of the disjoint union of two sets * multiplication: the cardinality of the direct product of two sets * exponentiation: a^b is the cardinality of the set of maps from B to A where B is a set of cardinality b and A is a set of cardinality a

This is just set theory, not category theory.

Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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The teacher mentions juggling units when adding and multiplying, but is 2 cm × 3 cm the same thing as 2 × 3?

Yeah I don't think they are the same. You can of course also have 2 cm * 3, which still fits with the repeated addition idea, as long as you frame it as 2 cm + 2 cm + 2 cm. I'm not an educator by any stretch, but that seems like an intuitive way to introduce units without causing confusion about previous number teachings.

Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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I just found this interesting article. If you are interested, it is a review of the following "conversation of articles" (which are reachable from the OP but I guess it's useful enough to list): - https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/devlin_09_07.html - https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/devlin_06_08.html - https://denisegaskins.com/2008/07/01/if-it-aint-repeated-addition/ - (the link I posted that cr…

I wanted to post the same links, you can find the same articles and others about that subject by googling "Keith Devlin addition multiplication"

Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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My favourite way of thinking about these operations comes from category theory: * addition: the cardinality of the disjoint union of two sets * multiplication: the cardinality of the direct product of two sets * exponentiation: a^b is the cardinality of the set of maps from B to A where B is a set of cardinality b and A is a set of cardinality a

This is just set theory, not category theory.

Neither is more foundational than the other. So I think the use of "just" is not justified here.

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/360578/category-theory-an...

Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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Does anyone have an intuition for why Presburger arithmetic is decidable, but once you introduce x, it is not? If + can be rewritten as repeated succ, (which is decidable) and x can be rewritten as repeated +, then it seems logical that x should be decidable, but as any undergraduate CS student knows, Peano arithmetic is undecidable. What is so special about x exactly?

Its probably worth pointing out that the system with only multiplication and no addition is also decidable (Skolem arithmetic). Things get interesting when you have both multiplication and addition defined and the reason for that is basically the fundamental theorem of arithmetic which gives you unique prime factorisation and directly the Gödel encoding (writing out statements about integers as integers).

The fundamental theorem of arithmetic says for any non-zero natural number x there is a unique finite sequence of integers a_i such that x = 2^a_0 . 3^a_1 . 5^a_3 ... p_n^a_n and that given x the sequence a_i is computable (similarly given a_i you can easily construct their x).

This basically gives you a (bijective) mapping between integers and tuples of integers x (a_0, a_1, ... a_n) which lets you build up more complicated structures and eventually construct the sentence you need for an incompleteness theorem (if you're as smart as Gödel).

Re: What’s Wrong with “Multiplication Is Repeated Addition”? (2008)

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Does anyone have an intuition for why Presburger arithmetic is decidable, but once you introduce x, it is not? If + can be rewritten as repeated succ, (which is decidable) and x can be rewritten as repeated +, then it seems logical that x should be decidable, but as any undergraduate CS student knows, Peano arithmetic is undecidable. What is so special about x exactly?

> but as any undergraduate CS student knows, Peano arithmetic is undecidable

We went to very different universities it seems. Neither Peano arithmetic nor decidability were ever mentioned

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