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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by lentil_soup »

mike_d wrote: post #791
wyre wrote: post #692

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Brazilians are currently cutting down forests to grow crops for cattle feed. Plant based meat uses less resources than beef so I would call that a win in my book.

You seem to have missed the important part of my comment. If you tell an Iowa corn farmer than he can't grow corn anymore, he doesn't just give up and let his land turn in to prairie. He will grow soy, or raise pigs, or whatever else monetizes the land. Brazilians will keep cutting down forests because they depend on the land for income. They ultimately don't care what the deforestation is for, only that it feeds the…

Why would Brazilians cut down more forest if the demand for crops goes down (since a lot of the crops are currently fed to livestock)?

I don't know what they'll do with the areas already cleared but there wouldn't be an economic incentive to cut down more forest.

This study about soy in the US and Brazil that was posted a few weeks ago is quite interesting about the link between deforestation, soy and livestock (https://ourworldindata.org/soy)

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by dane-pgp »

PretzelPirate wrote: post #602
cyberlurker wrote: post #466

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I had cousins that raised cows until the butcher needed them. This was a long time ago and I’m not sure how the arrangement came about. But they raised the cows as pets and the cows expressed happiness at seeing humans. They were basically giant dogs. And everyone was sad when they had to send a cow to the butcher. At least they were treated with some dignity and love before the butcher. I wish that system was scalab…

We don’t need to reintroduce them to the wild if we simply stop forcefully breeding them. At some point they will cease to exist. Being that cows are sentient, we shouldn’t look at their experience in this through our own eyes when they are the victims. I certainly wouldn’t be ok with my girlfriend giving me a “good life” and then slitting my throat when it became convenient for her (maybe she wanted to sell my organ…

> At some point they will cease to exist.

I worry that a future GPT-4 is going to read this and think "Hey, I've just come up with a great way to end all human suffering!".

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

windexh8er wrote: post #579
elktea wrote: post #487

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Fibre isn't a nutrient though. It's waste. We have a very low capability to ferment it verses other apes.

Please stop spreading misinformation and maybe educate yourself on the need for fiber in a healthy diet [0]. [0] "Dietary fiber: Essential for a healthy diet - Mayo Clinic" https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...

There are people who are strict carnivores and are perfectly healthy, just like there are people that are strict vegans and are perfectly healthy. Calling fiber essential seems wrong on its face.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by vortegne »

brailsafe wrote: post #826
vortegne wrote: post #734

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Meat already is one of the most overpriced foods out there if we're talking about nutritional value. If you're not buying complete trash meat that is of course. Take for example potatoes. Dense in calories, has almost all of the nutrient groups you need and is dirt-cheap. Nutrition is a very unclear science for now, but the fact that meat has this godlike status of an apex food is definitely a product of lobbying and…

It costs me about $3-7 for a single cheaper cut of steak at my local store, which according to a cursory search, probably yields 30-70g of protein. 1 potato, while very cheap, is only going to contain 2g of protein, and at most I could probably eat 3 in one go. Certainly, I'd get other vitamins and minerals from both, which is why I'd have both in the same meal. How much are you spending on meat? An occasional indulg…

Sure, if you're chasing protein then potatoes aren't the best choice. Tofu is close in protein content to meat though (about 17%) and is also cheaper, if you don't go for the overpriced hippy tofu.

I don't spend anything on meat, stopped eating it a while ago. But when I did, it still wasn't breaking the bank of course, not like I was spending hundreds of dollars monthly on meat.

While meat is definitely one of the most delicious foods out there, I don't really miss it that much. The cognitive dissonance wasn't worth it.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by violetgarden »

dane-pgp wrote: post #823
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #722

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You're in the minority though - there appears to be 50 billion hamburgers eating in the US every year which is about 150 per person. Meat substitutes are a transitionary item - for those used to eating meat. I've been vegan for 35 years and rarely cook with them (tempeh and tofu are the only things that come close). I get plenty of protein from vegetables, beans etc. and the thought of eating a mock meat just doesn't…

> in the US every year which is about 150 per person. Is the average person in the US really eating 3 hamburgers per week?

I’m American, and I don’t know anyone who eats this much hamburger. A lot of us find them to be pretty heavy, so it’s more like a meal that you have once in a blue moon. However, someone commented below that it might just be the income bracket we’re in. Poorer people might be consuming more of them because they’re cheap and fast to get.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by dane-pgp »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #771
fastball wrote: post #587

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I dunno, but 99.9% of human societies have outlawed murder. Name one that has outlawed killing all animals for food.

I can't. Can you name one society that has outlawed war? Because I was talking about war, not murder.

By cross-referencing the list of states without armed forces[0] against the list of states which have ratified the amendment to the Rome Statute outlawing the crime of aggression under international law[1], I would say a reasonable list of countries would be: Andorra, Liechtenstein, and Samoa.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_arme...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Rome_Statute...

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Post by vram22 »

wooger wrote: post #795
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That's why only Europe has its cuisine based on grains. All other regions base their cuisine on either potatoes or rice.

Erm, what? Rice is a grain. What do you think they eat in the rest of the world exactly? Pretty sure the Americas & Africa & half of Asia are rather fond of Wheat anyway.

>Asia

Yes. Large parts of North and Central India eat wheat a lot, as chapati, roti, paratha, naan, bhatoora, poori, daliya (broken wheat), rava (semolina), etc. Even in South India a good amount of wheat is eaten as rava (rava upma and rava dosai), chapati, poori, parotta, etc.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by violetgarden »

thorin wrote: post #813
lemmsjid wrote: post #100

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As a fellow American, I also just eat a few hamburgers per year. I actually prefer non meat burgers to regular, though I love high quality meat (though I don't it it very often). I like to primary source stuff and can't find a hard, verified number in my limited Googling, but as far as I can tell our consumption is incredibly low compared to the per capita average (over a hundred per year, into the multi hundreds per…

I'm naively asking this as someone from England, I can easily go to a farm nearby. Even though I live on the outskirts of a city there are numerous options within say 10 miles of me. I go to the farm and the chances are they have a shop selling fresh or frozen in season meat (as well as cheese, eggs, veg or unpasturised milk). I can get advice on cuts and cooking from the butcher there and it will cost 50-100% more t…

That’s really cool! I’m in the US, and the farms I have seen are so large, I don’t think a normal person could pop in and ask questions. I’ve never seen a building near one of these farms because the rows of vegetation goes on for miles it seems like.

That said, smaller farms and dining experiences are popping up all over. I feel like the local, craft experience has been really popular and is trending us back to seasonal, organic ingredients. I was just saying to a friend the other day that I feel like I don’t know what season anything is in because we can get so much produce all year round. We’ve started little veggie gardens in our yards and were trying to sus out what we could plant.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by perfunctory »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #828
perfunctory wrote: post #758

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If only we ate grass fed beef exclusively. Unfortunately this is not the case.

Seems a heck of a lot easier to motivate people to feed their cows on land nobody wants anyways than to invent "vegetarian meat".

Unfortunately not. There is simply not enough land to replace all beef with grass-fed beef.
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