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Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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Why is this such a big issue? Can't you install any ARM Linux distro from a flash drive? Does that not work? I get that device drivers may not be perfect for any new laptop, but it should mostly work.

Linus Torvalds: ARM has a lot to learn from the PC : "I think ARM is a very promising platform," he said. "At the same time, the ARM community has never had the notion of a standard platform. ARM never had the PC." https://www.networkworld.com/article/2220438/linus-torvalds-...

Nothing else ever had the PC. And IBM wasn't too happy that it happened to them, either.

Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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Indeed, it is. 16GB is too constrained even for native Linux desktop environment.

Linux desktop environment runs fine with 4GB.

I think the people who claim that 16 GB isn't enough are insane, but it should be said: at 4 GB it does become a bit problematic to both keep browsers with a bunch of tabs open and do other things smoothly. If we keep modern website hogs out of the picture, I completely agree with you.

I tally about 500-1000 MB doing my job – if I can close the browsers that I do admittedly need to read documentation.

Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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post #42

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Linux desktop environment runs fine with 4GB.

I think the people who claim that 16 GB isn't enough are insane, but it should be said: at 4 GB it does become a bit problematic to both keep browsers with a bunch of tabs open and do other things smoothly. If we keep modern website hogs out of the picture, I completely agree with you. I tally about 500-1000 MB doing my job – if I can close the browsers that I do admittedly need to read documentation.

> I think the people who claim that 16 GB isn't enough are insane

The problem is containers. Some development workflows appear to require running a container for every piece of software needed, and that adds up (and feels incredibly wasteful).

None of my development workflow requires containers locally, so I get by just fine with 16gb.

Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus Torvalds: ARM has a lot to learn from the PC : "I think ARM is a very promising platform," he said. "At the same time, the ARM community has never had the notion of a standard platform. ARM never had the PC." https://www.networkworld.com/article/2220438/linus-torvalds-...

I'm curious, is there any reason that ARM doesn't have a standard platform? Or they are working on that?

It does, and it's called Arm SystemReady.

UEFI + ACPI is required on Arm if you want to boot Windows or RHEL/CentOS, which do not even try to boot on non-standardised 64-bit Arm systems.

Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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post #43
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the people who claim that 16 GB isn't enough are insane, but it should be said: at 4 GB it does become a bit problematic to both keep browsers with a bunch of tabs open and do other things smoothly. If we keep modern website hogs out of the picture, I completely agree with you. I tally about 500-1000 MB doing my job – if I can close the browsers that I do admittedly need to read documentation.

> I think the people who claim that 16 GB isn't enough are insane The problem is containers. Some development workflows appear to require running a container for every piece of software needed, and that adds up (and feels incredibly wasteful). None of my development workflow requires containers locally, so I get by just fine with 16gb.

I wonder when the pendulum will swing back and people will stop this insanity. I can already picture the buzzwords people will invent to describe "apps running on the OS itself".

Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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post #3

I imagine memory will be quite constrained here for a lot of M1 systems.

> I imagine memory will be quite constrained here for a lot of M1 systems. No worries, the storage is fast enough to stand-in for RAM via swap! You always wanted your RAM to be a wear item, right?

Definitely, especially when it is soldered to the motherboard or into the chip itself. /s

Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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Indeed, it is. 16GB is too constrained even for native Linux desktop environment.

What the hell, enough with this! My main dev machine until a few months ago was a Dell laptop with 8 GB of RAM on Ubuntu. I ran RubyMine on it all day, some Sublime, Spotify, Slack, MariaDB, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, and I had no problems whatsoever. The only reason it ever ran out of RAM was a memory leak in Firefox.

That's good for you and I'm glad you're happy but for some of us, considering the work with are doing, sometimes even 32GB is not really enough. Different people, different needs.

Re: Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice

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post #48

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What the hell, enough with this! My main dev machine until a few months ago was a Dell laptop with 8 GB of RAM on Ubuntu. I ran RubyMine on it all day, some Sublime, Spotify, Slack, MariaDB, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, and I had no problems whatsoever. The only reason it ever ran out of RAM was a memory leak in Firefox.

That's good for you and I'm glad you're happy but for some of us, considering the work with are doing, sometimes even 32GB is not really enough. Different people, different needs.

Too many electron apps? :P
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