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Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by CiceroCiceronis »

beefman wrote: post #94
bachmeier wrote: post #70

A few alternatives in this space: org-roam https://www.orgroam.com/ tiddlyroam https://tiddlyroam.org/ Dendron https://dendron.so/ Foam https://foambubble.github.io/foam/ Remnote https://www.remnote.io/ Obsidian https://obsidian.md/ logseq https://logseq.com/ Not an expert with them at all. I've never had a desire to dig into all their complexity, but some are pretty passionate about it.

RemNote looks good. From the FAQ Data Ownership: You own your data - always. You'll be able to export all data in its raw state and import it to another tool. Free Access Guarantee: We'll always provide a feature-rich, free-for-life version of RemNote. Current users will never be asked to pay for any feature they're already using, in the feature's current state. Guaranteed Access Clause: In the extremely unlikely eve…

The most interesting thing about this for me (as somebody who already uses TiddlyWiki and is just curious about features) is the ability to easily make flashcards from components of your zettelkasten.

I already use Anki heavily for studies that require it but integration would be even more powerful - copying text snippets from a zettelkasten to Anki is unsolving the problem that knowledge-map systems are trying to solve. I’m surprised I haven’t seen a feature or plugin like this for Roam/Obsidian/TW.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by hijklmno »

bachmeier wrote: post #70

A few alternatives in this space: org-roam https://www.orgroam.com/ tiddlyroam https://tiddlyroam.org/ Dendron https://dendron.so/ Foam https://foambubble.github.io/foam/ Remnote https://www.remnote.io/ Obsidian https://obsidian.md/ logseq https://logseq.com/ Not an expert with them at all. I've never had a desire to dig into all their complexity, but some are pretty passionate about it.

+1 for Obsidian. Have been using it for a few months now. Can vouch of it!

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by desmap »

I must somehow have missed the trend around networked tools such as Roams (and Notion?). Would someone be so kind and educate me why this got a trend and that it's not a fad.

I wonder if this link-setting which is still a manual task would not get tedious over time. Then, I could imagine that finding content is still faster with a full-text search or question-answering DL models than clicking through all your links.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by phy6 »

bachmeier wrote: post #70

A few alternatives in this space: org-roam https://www.orgroam.com/ tiddlyroam https://tiddlyroam.org/ Dendron https://dendron.so/ Foam https://foambubble.github.io/foam/ Remnote https://www.remnote.io/ Obsidian https://obsidian.md/ logseq https://logseq.com/ Not an expert with them at all. I've never had a desire to dig into all their complexity, but some are pretty passionate about it.

I've been loving Foam as it lives inside VSCode, where I spend most of my days anyway. Obsidian was nice too, but I ended up moving back to Foam. The only feature I wish Foam had is to apply force directed layouts to only selected nodes at a time.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by desmap »

So, after diving a bit deeper into this field I still do not understand why the underlying tech is important for bidirectional linking?

I understand that a graph database like neo4j can be amazing once you need more than just binary relationships (any kind of relationship in any level can be expressed) and once you start to query the database. Latter is so powerful and crucial from a data scientist perspective.

But why are these graph db features important for notes? And what are the drawbacks if you just do this with normal text or md files with links and a normal file system? Assuming that the actual link setting UI is convenient and takes care of most there shouldn't ne any disadvantage when writing and querying them. If things get slow you could still use an index but yeah.

One advantage with normal files is that you will still be able to read them in 50 years without any special app created 50 years ago.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by CiceroCiceronis »

junipertea wrote: post #90
diego898 wrote: post #84

Jeff (@tangjeff), Im sure you're already familiar with Tiddlywiki[1]. How does this compare/draw from/improve/etc on that? For those who arent familiar with TW, I encourage you to check it out. Its one of the original bi-directional linked, open-sourced, graph-based (as revealed with TiddlyMap plugin, though not using a graph database) note-taking apps that is completely customizable. It was recently posted and discu…

Not him, but I used TW extensively. The problem was the entire wiki is in one HTML file (which is impressive), but it did not scale with additional image tiddlers. At some point it would just not load. There is a separate NodeJS hosted version which I ran for a year, but it had memory issues. (Again, probably tied to the number of images). I totally get it's mainly for notes, but I'm lazy and sometimes I paste snippe…

I solve that issue by putting all my images in a folder and referencing them with a filepath. Not quite as portable as a single html file containing images but as somebody not planning to regularly send it to friends it gives a lot of flexibility to alter and change images easily, just add to the folder and reference.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by tincholio »

desmap wrote: post #116

So, after diving a bit deeper into this field I still do not understand why the underlying tech is important for bidirectional linking? I understand that a graph database like neo4j can be amazing once you need more than just binary relationships (any kind of relationship in any level can be expressed) and once you start to query the database. Latter is so powerful and crucial from a data scientist perspective. But w…

You can have both, actually. Having a datalog engine allows things like this, which is pretty cool: https://www.loom.com/share/d007932e94db4b4981cca606bebdb54a

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by dageshi »

helloguillecl wrote: post #16

This is amazing. I like Roam Research but I refuse to give full control of something so important to any third party. At this point we have all experienced what it is like to give the control over your digital life to FAANG-like entities with priorities other than their own users well-being. We can and should ask for better. If it will be my second brain (please note how important this sounds), what I want is to be a…

You can export everything from roam in json or markup... does that basically not suffice?

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Post by randomchars »

dageshi wrote: post #119
helloguillecl wrote: post #16

This is amazing. I like Roam Research but I refuse to give full control of something so important to any third party. At this point we have all experienced what it is like to give the control over your digital life to FAANG-like entities with priorities other than their own users well-being. We can and should ask for better. If it will be my second brain (please note how important this sounds), what I want is to be a…

You can export everything from roam in json or markup... does that basically not suffice?

Have you actually looked at what's exported? You need to do a lot of parsing, and modifying before that content is usable...
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