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NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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I get how exciting this is for planetary scientists, but the last few robotic missions have really driven home that Mars is kind of an armpit. Here's to sending rovers somewhere with cooler visuals. I will stay up all night to see what the Io Lander can send home before it falls into a volcano.

Not kidding someone could add filters to the images to see different aspects of the view.

Cat filter would make headlines

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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Stupid question, but where is Perseverance's energy source? Answer: Plutonium It powers a Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator. The plutonium decays at a few % per year, so that means it should be able to bring Elon a sandwich when he lands. https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/spacecraft/rover/electrical-p...

a glowing green sandwich covered in red sand. But seriously, this stuff is powering those voyager probes 40 years later. Which makes me ask: why do we have to send there technologies 10 billion miles away to make them work? Why can't my fridge be powered this way?

Because if you can power a fridge this way, you can power an automobile this way. They won't let this happen.

The current power structures in the world (petrodollar, etc) and world economy as a whole (massive employment within oil industry and throughout supply chains catering to oil industry) are too intertwined with the oil industry to allow any other technologies to swiftly disrupt that.

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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Dude, it's a scientific experiment, not a fucking Instagram shoot

That's not what this is. I didn't impugn the project did I? I criticized the public relations blitz and a falsely descriptive title on the BBC. Don't pretend public outreach isn't part of the plan here.

What qualifies as "stunning" in your book if not photos of another world?

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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Multiple clicks to get to the full resolution image. 50 thumbnails able to be viewed at a time, many uninteresting to lay people (solid gray screen, dozens of repeated images of of a portion of the rover itself, etc), for the monumental task of sifting through the 6407 images the rover has transmitted so far in mere days. Wholly unusable in a few months I imagine.

The site isn't great, no. But the reason there's so many repeated images is because NASA doesn't want to be accused of hiding anything. If they're taking photos for calibration, we get those, just like if they're taking stunning panoramas.

And to a science agency, I don't think their top priority is selecting the best 4k wallpaper for easy download.

I honestly don't mind government sites, they are usually thoroughly boring and very conservative with their design, which means that even old people like my dad can click around and use it. I think that's a good thing.

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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The site isn't great, no. But the reason there's so many repeated images is because NASA doesn't want to be accused of hiding anything. If they're taking photos for calibration, we get those, just like if they're taking stunning panoramas.

And to a science agency, I don't think their top priority is selecting the best 4k wallpaper for easy download. I honestly don't mind government sites, they are usually thoroughly boring and very conservative with their design, which means that even old people like my dad can click around and use it. I think that's a good thing.

That being said, there are NASA sites that are more curated, like https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/beta

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

#206

All ya'll complaining that you can take better pictures with your iPhones than Percy can on Mars, please read this: https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/spacecraft/rover/cameras/ These are ENGINEERING cameras for taking incredibly precise measurements. Not for populating an Instagram page.

> SuperCam fires a laser at mineral targets that are beyond the reach of the rover’s robotic arm, and then analyzes the vaporized rock to reveal its elemental composition. Like the ChemCam on rover Curiosity, SuperCam fires laser pulses at pinpoint areas smaller than 1 millimeter from more than 20 feet (about 7 meters) away. Holy shit, that rocks.

Pun intended?

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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Anyone has insights on how data in such volumes can be transferred from Mars to Earth in the absence of a direct link? Do the intermediate nodes have gigabytes of available storage to emit data to the next available node once it becomes visible ?

From my layman's understanding, it's relayed via the orbiters. There are a few orbiters around Mars. NASA appears to have an arrangement with the ESA to upload data from the rovers to the ESA's orbiters, depending on whose orbiters are within line of sight at any given time. Then the orbiter sends the information back to Earth, which are received by NASA's Deep Space Network During the time when line of sight between…

It never ceases to impress me that we have the ability to do this sort of stuff. A couple thousand years ago, the height of technology was shooting something from a few hundred metres away with a bow and arrow, now we are landing machines on another planet and transmitting data back and forth through the solar system. Incredible.

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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Stupid question maybe but like is there a reason the picture quality seems worse than a decent dslr photo? I'm so curious what that photo would look like, taken with an everyday camera, without the bizarre 'scientific' look of these shots.

Generally, these cameras are many years out of date. They don't load up the rovers with the latest gear from today, but with the latest gear from when the design review process was closed. I don't know when that was for Perseverance, but it would not surprise me if that was a decade ago. The cameras are also not specifically designed for image capture, but for scientific study. In that they take images at a wider ran…

Yep, that’s the same reason why it runs on a PowerPC750 chip. They cost $200k+ for under 200Mhz on a 150-250 nm process, but can withstand up to 1,000,000 rads of radiation and function within extreme temperature ranges for decades. They have been proven to work in the harshest environments on prior missions, and the risk of an unproven processor is giant; a CPU failure could jeopardize the mission just as much as a crash landing. Design constrains are so very different when you shoot something 140M miles away!

Re: NASA's Perseverance rover sends stunning images

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The 8 figure price tag for a RTG makes consumer use uneconomical.

The reason for that high of a price tag is that the engineering costs are spread over a very few units. If they made 100,000 of them, the costs would be much closer to the materials cost.

> the costs would be much closer to the materials cost

Which is? Not cheap. And it's not like you can buy in any corner store.

And no, while an "economy of scale" would make it cheaper, it doesn't mean it would be cheap.

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