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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by hedora »

olyjohn wrote: post #190
jandrese wrote: post #23

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I agree, Beyond overdoes the fake smoke flavor. But they seem to be better equipped to scale up than Impossible, they've beaten them to mass market in almost every location I've seen.

I bought a package of Beyond Meat. It was right next to the ground beef, and looked like ground beef. I assumed I could substitute it for ground beef in my spaghetti. Big fat nope! I opened the package, and it smelled exactly like dog food. The smell when cooking it was horrible. It completely ruined my batch of spaghetti. I don't know how people are cooking this stuff and enjoying it. Maybe there's some other way to…

I’ve found I have to brown it, or it has a weird aftertaste that lasts for hours.

After browning, that’s replaced with a nice nutty cashew flavor. This is especially true of the patties.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

com2kid wrote: post #37
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

I agree that this is important, and less meat consumption is good, but I am kind of upset that the entire American culinary experience is being reduced to "burgers, pizza, and fried chicken." I say that because most of the articles on meat alternatives are written from the perspective of "if only Americans can stop eating hamburgers!" First off, in terms of global solutions, that isn't going to fly. Try going to Ital…

You're in the minority though - there appears to be 50 billion hamburgers eating in the US every year which is about 150 per person.

Meat substitutes are a transitionary item - for those used to eating meat. I've been vegan for 35 years and rarely cook with them (tempeh and tofu are the only things that come close). I get plenty of protein from vegetables, beans etc. and the thought of eating a mock meat just doesn't appeal to me (I'll occasionally eat a burger when out but I find Beyond burgers taste like the burgers sold in cheap fast food joints smell like.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by tspike »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #703
tspike wrote: post #555

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> they mostly graze on infertile land This is true during the first year of life. After that, most cattle are moved to dense feedlots. Further, the infertile land they're grazing on, in many cases, is infertile precisely because of the way it's grazed. In the scenario where herds graze huge tracts of unbroken native grasslands, the result is increasingly fertile soil. When grazing animals are confined to small lots,…

There are exceptions where meat makes sense. At higher than 4000 meters, you aren’t going to grow much more than barley, so meat is pretty much it. I’ve never been so sick of meat than during a trip on the Tibetan plateau. Likewise for dry scrub land (Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, irrigation can only do so much). Then there is the efficiency at which food for livestock can be grown vs for people.

Yes, absolutely. It's difficult to argue for nuance in approach. I really have no idea how to make the general argument effectively.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by acd10j »

drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

After reading some of the comments, I am increasingly thinking that People who eat beef/meat regularly will still seek Original/Farm grown/actual cattle beef. And Beyond meat style beef will be used for turning vegetarian people to get taste of beef, so that they can graduate to real beef later. Non Vegetarian people will never accept climate impact their eating habits have on environment.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

stephenr wrote: post #638
gowld wrote: post #622

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How many cow anuses would it take to make McDonalds meat? more than cow anuses exist in the world, I bet. McDonalds' is made of meat, just processed into a highly manageable consistent form.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanically_separated_meat “Meat”

Is it a fact that major fast food chains use this kind of processed meat? How do I avoid eating this? Primal cuts of meat are fine, right?

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Post by dsomers »

acd10j wrote: post #724
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

After reading some of the comments, I am increasingly thinking that People who eat beef/meat regularly will still seek Original/Farm grown/actual cattle beef. And Beyond meat style beef will be used for turning vegetarian people to get taste of beef, so that they can graduate to real beef later. Non Vegetarian people will never accept climate impact their eating habits have on environment.

I’m not a vegetarian, but I eat a lot less meat now than two years ago primarily because of climate change, but also because it now feels easy because I’ve found meat alternatives like this that I enjoy the taste of.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

ben_w wrote: post #137
arcturus17 wrote: post #91

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Probably exaggerated and imponderable, as it really depends on how you would rank such a thing. But it is really nutritious in that it packs a great density of protein and micronutrients.

Lentils, tofu, peanuts, and seitan are 25%, 20%, 28%, and 80% protein by weight. Meat is about 26%, according to WolframAlpha. Not that you actually need very many grams of protein each day to be healthy.

It actually matters which proteins are in there. Plants in general, and seitan in particular, are pretty bad in that regard and so much (to most, for seitan) of that protein can’t actually be used by your body unless you find ways to supplement the missing essential amino acids.

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Post by vortegne »

xwdv wrote: post #88
vortegne wrote: post #75

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> Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant Completely wrong

Pound for pound, it cannot be denied meat provides more nutrition than the same amount of plants.

It definitely can and should be denied. Not that it matters, your point is useless anyway.

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Post by hef19898 »

_9omd wrote: post #582
DamnYuppie wrote: post #27

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I truly don't understand the methane issue. Historically worldwide the # of ungulates is probably well below historical averages. It looks like today we have around 98 million head of cattle in the US. Historically we had bison in excess of conservatively 60 million. This doesn't even begin to count all the animals in Africa. Overall wide life is declining. https://www.statista.com/statistics/194297/total-number-of-c…

I think a lot of what you're saying makes sense. People tend to lump all types of raising cows together, when it's really only the factory farming type or rainforest clearing kind that needs to be stopped. There's a tremendous amount of dry or hilly land that isn't suitable for other types of agriculture, so it really makes sense to raise cattle on these lands in low density. I drive by a lot of these places regularl…

It's worth noting that rain forest is also cleared for palm and soy. I have yet to see a concise study comparing CO2 and general environmental impact of large soy plantations and meat farms. And I totally support getting rif of industrial style meat farms and production.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

atombender wrote: post #332
therealmarv wrote: post #99

This brand was tested by German magazine called "Öko-Test" on their ingredients. Also not for the first time. It got a BAD review again because it contains too much mineral oil in it (could have various reasons, packaging of ingredients or oily manufacturing machines) and 20g fat per 100g "meat". So it's unhealthy on mineral oil (MOSH) which can easily accumulate in your body and fat percentage. One of the sources wh…

You may want the primary source, Öko-Test [1], here. Your two links are really unclear about what they mean. It's evident from the Öko-Test article that they are referring to contamination ("residue" of mineral oil, as they call it). Unfortunately, the published results are behind a paywall, and they don't explain in the article just how significant the contamination is. For all we know, it could be an insignificant…

Here they tested ground meat:

https://www.oekotest.de/essen-trinken/11-gemischte-Hackfleis...

No mineral oil AFAICT, but instead you’re dealing with germ issues.

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